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NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 8353628f-91d4-49c8-a7a3-e1d0a16eb0d7 00:00:17.194 --> 00:00:20.240 When I started out, so you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 ffeea6b0-ae04-475e-97cc-16496c93feba 00:00:20.240 --> 00:00:21.740 acute accents were all important. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 562286e6-d545-4b1a-b8e9-e28347f447fa 00:00:21.740 --> 00:00:24.896 And also speaking with the standard NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 e2e37da0-e82d-4862-aea7-9c26974ad32a 00:00:24.900 --> 00:00:27.204 accent was also important to me NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b4254886-b132-4332-afa9-0b4dc5dbaff6 00:00:27.204 --> 00:00:29.630 and I'll come back to that when NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 575121ff-6044-4e82-80d5-1a1c54f413fa 00:00:29.630 --> 00:00:32.130 I look at my data in a moment. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 738d0822-ed08-4860-b9f9-d7cffce73b76 00:00:32.130 --> 00:00:34.400 Then coming back to postgraduate NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 c29e0b1f-4707-4ac4-8165-cdac89b75ed9 00:00:34.400 --> 00:00:36.670 study in my late 30s, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 a5e01cf7-87cb-4f5d-9161-15f750d816ad 00:00:36.670 --> 00:00:39.346 I studied applied linguistics and I NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 51cc4fd8-78b5-43cf-84ae-186dcd03561f 00:00:39.346 --> 00:00:42.100 started getting interested in questions of. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 a744b82f-1e02-447c-a4fd-eae69e38bc96 00:00:42.100 --> 00:00:43.555 Identity and how language learning NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 5d4bd452-7195-4b9c-9eee-5bd1d9ade0e1 00:00:43.555 --> 00:00:45.619 was much more than just the system, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 0041dbfb-b82e-4fb4-b5f0-94c9c9118cd9 00:00:45.620 --> 00:00:46.568 which already you know. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 5f16b273-0ad2-4d37-bfee-358dd88662d4 00:00:46.568 --> 00:00:47.516 I'd had these ideas, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 a619bc4b-c33b-4172-be64-15b743e2ad3e 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:49.972 but studying applied linguistics NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 282dff10-7469-44e7-9266-bbf5529a601c 00:00:49.972 --> 00:00:53.650 opened up these spaces for me. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 e6d44ef9-28bd-4f9c-aaac-a3d6506d74d6 00:00:53.650 --> 00:00:56.626 Went on to focus on the study abroad NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b8cf34a1-47a9-4f32-b29f-e70021d9ac53 00:00:56.626 --> 00:00:59.200 sitting and my PhD which I completed NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b575b3a6-3c34-4120-b6d7-8c41a83f5646 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.960 in 2009 and started looking using NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 77f263ac-0e22-4d76-8197-98f8028a898a 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.240 discourse analysis to investigate NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 1510ca22-7920-4e32-a189-27466f682e2c 00:01:04.240 --> 00:01:06.594 identity Co construction and I NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 44ff3408-aa07-4fb2-a8fd-857db97b06c2 00:01:06.594 --> 00:01:09.458 really draw on a variety of of NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 1f2f6bde-f559-4184-a605-74608aeadceb 00:01:09.458 --> 00:01:11.466 concepts across different fields, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b83c56d3-fddd-436b-98fc-e1b9dca3febe 00:01:11.470 --> 00:01:14.566 so gender sexuality as Helena mentioned, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 740179fe-8d48-4612-af2c-f22ca0a8ac5b 00:01:14.570 --> 00:01:16.034 sociolinguistic concepts, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 e48ca756-3ab4-4695-87ce-e7dd58c2390a 00:01:16.034 --> 00:01:17.498 discourse analysis, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 51d3ed93-a9f4-47dd-8818-1487a889e6b0 00:01:17.498 --> 00:01:19.694 mainly interactional sociolinguistics. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 0e9d5238-221d-4e37-b584-ceb01cc15182 00:01:19.700 --> 00:01:21.775 But with this all important NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 fb5d9cc3-166c-4af8-a6c0-a55a2b53e391 00:01:21.775 --> 00:01:22.605 critical approach, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 eb416ea6-ec7d-470b-b7a0-c624c32eb5e0 00:01:22.610 --> 00:01:25.400 though never forgetting about the, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 025c4e8e-0012-4e15-b9ff-b2c6219debdb 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:26.904 you know the power. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 a680afe2-1394-4147-8857-582040707d6e 00:01:26.904 --> 00:01:29.160 That kind of encompasses these interactions NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 a9bed1ee-2ebf-4462-9d49-e029d54a80ac 00:01:29.227 --> 00:01:31.495 and power of representation in itself. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 c025ed6f-c959-434c-9741-939c08d84f74 00:01:31.500 --> 00:01:33.385 And looking at the connections NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b7af3477-cc28-4848-84ed-e315da53b78d 00:01:33.385 --> 00:01:34.139 between ideologies, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 16be2b13-02bf-41ea-9328-94a265705305 00:01:34.140 --> 00:01:35.736 hegemonic ideologies which are NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b5d6c0c8-8bd8-47e2-89ee-db1682d92eb4 00:01:35.736 --> 00:01:38.540 often hidden and kind of you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b9c20a8a-68fe-40d1-94a4-6fa72f4ba236 00:01:38.540 --> 00:01:41.676 unveiling them as board you like to say. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 519f9052-5a6a-4b6b-9893-fc6546f972f5 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:43.020 And this leads to questions NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 8a82649b-5a78-4aaa-af23-463399571c0d 00:01:43.020 --> 00:01:44.092 of structure and agency. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 193573f3-c182-4efa-8274-110d48af4410 00:01:44.100 --> 00:01:47.434 So I'm I'm really got interested in theory, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 5b99fdee-c05f-4238-b138-1e076cfcfdcf 00:01:47.434 --> 00:01:50.124 but using these real interactions. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 4d19a702-90bf-4e9c-ae20-5b8c224652f4 00:01:50.130 --> 00:01:53.150 To kind of highlight. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 927dda77-49b2-443a-ba34-445fc7018e99 00:01:53.150 --> 00:01:55.405 What's going on there in NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 78d11661-ec37-4e24-8de2-c8e7b1b64852 00:01:55.405 --> 00:01:57.209 theoretical terms as well? NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 a072cf48-93a5-4025-a326-a62a856d5e9c 00:01:57.210 --> 00:01:59.988 So I'm no longer prescriptivist surprise. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 9f99f431-c2b3-4f1e-b121-a925ff703197 00:01:59.990 --> 00:02:01.064 OK, right? NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 8cf05b3a-9fff-4de0-9e99-48bfab8374fb 00:02:01.064 --> 00:02:03.749 I draw a great inspiration. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 54490ecb-be58-4a7a-a41d-7f17b99ab087 00:02:03.750 --> 00:02:05.752 Speaking of this critical stance from the NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 bfb2e87a-5c8a-4fb0-8c5e-dc544c0ead91 00:02:05.752 --> 00:02:07.490 following people and many more besides, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 ac72f482-0557-4184-9904-914687505586 00:02:07.490 --> 00:02:10.218 but I I always like to kind of, you know. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 7e90d7fc-adc9-4058-b060-3b7fc33365b8 00:02:10.218 --> 00:02:11.988 Show respect to people that NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 93ca5499-bb8f-45c8-9a9c-b94ed2ba7666 00:02:11.988 --> 00:02:13.880 came before Simone de Beauvoir. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 1c7da455-06de-4c5c-8c08-5e6b932387bc 00:02:13.880 --> 00:02:14.756 Of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 87bd027a-6a2a-4639-9df3-c3d9a92f92bd 00:02:14.756 --> 00:02:17.384 with her idea of no idea, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 3a5c664c-f1d0-458c-9152-f1a18d0151d4 00:02:17.390 --> 00:02:18.950 you know. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 887ae495-80a7-45df-867e-3151e2a12a3c 00:02:18.950 --> 00:02:22.586 Great contribution to seeing woman the the NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 02174214-3818-401a-8d59-d0debe44f8ba 00:02:22.586 --> 00:02:24.930 category of woman is constructed and woman, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b0066b30-4fbd-4851-af5e-7841351f97ca 00:02:24.930 --> 00:02:26.810 as other peer bordure. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 0861c9df-ed44-4ca3-9e03-8348d11fd8a6 00:02:26.810 --> 00:02:29.630 This idea of symbolic domination so NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 e46ed732-937d-40ad-af0b-625c3bd7e62f 00:02:29.713 --> 00:02:32.468 very akin to hegemonic ideologies. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 e33fdf8a-a6c4-48d9-97c2-24ca03340067 00:02:32.470 --> 00:02:33.466 Judith Butler, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 c2d1255c-3577-4c55-a9f4-32c6c72b894c 00:02:33.466 --> 00:02:35.956 theory of performativity with gender, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 9a045729-688d-4d60-b3e3-41c85fafac9b 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.389 but what people often forget with with NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 374c992c-d30c-47f9-89a4-3d4590e70b36 00:02:38.389 --> 00:02:40.830 Butler's work is that she talks about. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 e59988d6-8045-4a84-9d5e-9b8641639742 00:02:40.830 --> 00:02:42.399 Performativity occurring within NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 48ecbace-c541-4c17-955a-5807e30ab44d 00:02:42.399 --> 00:02:45.014 this highly rigid regulatory frame, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 704136f3-a266-4083-b057-e99d7c239d83 00:02:45.020 --> 00:02:48.380 and that's often ideological as well. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 c30688cb-8068-4d32-b0a9-621487c5d6ac 00:02:48.380 --> 00:02:51.998 Michael Bettin and his dialogic processes, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 dba8a9e7-54b6-4687-b851-4dfbcb9f48da 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.036 especially this idea of ideological becoming, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 89fa1b92-84ed-41b0-a5f0-5651c71ce50e 00:02:55.040 --> 00:02:57.212 which reminds us that everybody is NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 9d175097-33b8-4364-a0d4-c8a71028c025 00:02:57.212 --> 00:02:59.470 in all subjects are in process. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 01d9ce41-50fd-4bff-b51c-382b81837678 00:02:59.470 --> 00:03:02.262 We're constantly constructing our NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 d7d54dd6-a0ed-41f8-84e4-8dbe1aee90ee 00:03:02.262 --> 00:03:05.068 identities and in relation to the NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 abec1624-5d6a-40b2-94b0-1f45ec8cb6d0 00:03:05.068 --> 00:03:07.180 ideologies that we see value in. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 55b191f4-c128-4656-a1f7-ed2b5e8b9731 00:03:07.180 --> 00:03:08.900 So everything is in flux, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 c873a6ec-c61d-41e1-863c-5a4ed017fbe7 00:03:08.900 --> 00:03:11.396 even though you know it might seem static. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 950cc6ad-c02f-4500-82ed-b1bf60e0d5eb 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:14.046 At any point in time and the NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 d0de74c3-8f87-43c1-8a5a-a463462eaaf8 00:03:14.046 --> 00:03:15.180 formidable bell Hooks, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 abd3ba8a-baca-4f24-a739-ef7fab929cf2 00:03:15.180 --> 00:03:17.525 recently deceased and her really NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 dcacb212-28db-4fb9-a849-076aff02728c 00:03:17.525 --> 00:03:19.870 important reminder that we need NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 64918922-ec27-4ff8-8f03-a078eb5da766 00:03:19.952 --> 00:03:22.337 to look at interlocking systems NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 6d21c47a-db2d-4e6c-b96a-678a29930139 00:03:22.337 --> 00:03:24.245 of domination and encapsulated NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 c4826342-2906-41ef-a824-40e51142144e 00:03:24.245 --> 00:03:26.340 in her wonderful phrase. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 27d3623f-0ff8-4d77-90c1-7183cbcbc3a1 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:27.916 And then if I'm going to remember it, NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 c3fabd6b-e21f-46f2-b0e5-068fbbcf591a 00:03:27.920 --> 00:03:29.000 I need to look at it. NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 b9a9236f-95f6-4fd0-a06f-7b92521571d0 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:30.300 White supremacist capitalist patriarchy NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 f64861fb-5b98-46ce-b16f-b838ea694dcb 00:03:30.300 --> 00:03:32.800 and it always is to roll off her NOTE Confidence: 0.885293488333333 59ffc94e-7e1f-471a-9ee7-2c14590fbdcc 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.536 tongue much better than it did mine. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 62c36c2e-75dc-4c0a-ab71-2fa96b9431bd 00:03:34.540 --> 00:03:36.794 So whenever I'm doing any kind of NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 4c948b26-f22f-4e5f-9b93-e6758598418e 00:03:36.794 --> 00:03:39.202 research I I try to carry these NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 a0902e1b-5a63-48ca-b52d-6c626ce15c42 00:03:39.202 --> 00:03:41.260 ideas with me and they always. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 a121b824-29bc-4043-be0c-1407d1871bac 00:03:41.260 --> 00:03:45.226 Kind of buttressed my own analysis. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 58e6d90e-4848-4918-9dfc-d3a88aa30790 00:03:45.230 --> 00:03:47.038 So thank you everyone. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 079e51ee-0980-48da-a25c-c05e50697ba9 00:03:47.038 --> 00:03:48.846 I would say so. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 92255bbf-3037-4616-b735-12579cc0ffc4 00:03:48.850 --> 00:03:51.330 Back to this idea of the whole person. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 7c838862-7c68-47b6-b3c0-8ef8e296dc4a 00:03:51.330 --> 00:03:53.130 This is probably not groundbreaking NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 48da9e3d-a031-4d9e-ba1e-82d69abd9b4e 00:03:53.130 --> 00:03:54.930 for any of you here, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 a0ebbce4-fa16-4c65-b885-7ec68bc27088 00:03:54.930 --> 00:03:58.269 but I think it's always a useful NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 2b4f0a58-03ad-434e-8871-dd310092e700 00:03:58.269 --> 00:03:59.734 reminder that we always when NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 899574bf-2438-4dec-a0b9-9aac78e2c79b 00:03:59.734 --> 00:04:00.964 we're working with real people, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 925e6ae2-8eed-4b23-a6e2-5a9ba9437493 00:04:00.970 --> 00:04:04.547 we always need to move beyond uni NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 cab3e66f-721e-4c53-aaa7-5ac45ba00760 00:04:04.547 --> 00:04:05.569 dimensional portrayals. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 5fa79cf4-af96-4731-a7fd-8bbc96e7984f 00:04:05.570 --> 00:04:07.928 Right or unintentionally NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 e5809cf5-dbf0-479f-852a-60003894f348 00:04:07.928 --> 00:04:09.500 essentializing people. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 19b6c843-c3b3-4484-ba3d-aae177be70f7 00:04:09.500 --> 00:04:11.078 And because my own research will, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 2f833318-4824-45e1-aad4-c64d153e671a 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.032 my PhD research has looked at the identity NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 76490840-70fd-4950-a81a-6eeee070f703 00:04:14.032 --> 00:04:16.258 experiences of study abroad students. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 7ae8e0f0-9ae7-4979-8f96-fa625715bd9e 00:04:16.260 --> 00:04:20.248 So temporary migrants really. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 3b5fc8fc-c6ee-4f72-b72f-0b92776760d7 00:04:20.250 --> 00:04:23.085 I I meet with a lot of this essentializing NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 b3d6d8c8-02ca-4c42-af0f-6bd305f8aa10 00:04:23.085 --> 00:04:25.311 when I was doing my reading and NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 e86f677a-7153-45ec-97d5-9f890d66e04e 00:04:25.311 --> 00:04:27.116 again it's it's likely unintentional, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 5ba10c81-0865-479e-a0cf-19ac426db4d2 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.186 but categories of native speaker and non NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 38b5b7d1-7efe-48b4-9383-09ece1310316 00:04:30.186 --> 00:04:31.918 native speaker constantly delineating NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 97cf80bc-4573-4e63-b8c4-91ba3a61ca24 00:04:31.918 --> 00:04:34.354 who was this and who was that. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 2d2fb50e-aac9-41ac-b524-c87b33ef4c23 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.740 American students do this French NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 07bdc701-b70c-46de-9062-176e458831f4 00:04:36.740 --> 00:04:39.630 students do this and it just. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 f5ca06c9-68a8-4749-a48c-910860bde936 00:04:39.630 --> 00:04:39.979 Yeah, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 eeb809d7-3086-4228-9ea7-0663c8aa8358 00:04:39.979 --> 00:04:42.422 it didn't sit well with me because NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 9b80e6ba-f5bf-434f-917c-f93175144f88 00:04:42.422 --> 00:04:45.122 you you can feel that you're not NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 8e00f834-a500-472a-97de-330ba5059f1c 00:04:45.122 --> 00:04:47.565 getting it and the wholeness of NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 9f178809-824b-4dd4-893e-2c0c877e2f46 00:04:47.565 --> 00:04:49.745 each individual person there and. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 83e4364c-dde9-49ea-9a3d-7a24429e6508 00:04:49.750 --> 00:04:52.160 So a whole person leans. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 4270a52a-08d6-4526-9d5e-3333d295eadb 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:53.750 Perhaps obviously emphasizes NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 6391329f-fda3-4407-97ab-0972761c05c0 00:04:53.750 --> 00:04:55.340 participants and researchers, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 dcf36738-2bf6-4ef1-8b93-62f3110e4ec7 00:04:55.340 --> 00:04:56.252 of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 ac06d6cb-4c8e-40ab-8898-13e33abdb148 00:04:56.252 --> 00:04:58.532 is embodied social beings with NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 20682f39-1573-4295-92a5-de6e57b78739 00:04:58.532 --> 00:05:00.429 multiple dynamic identities and NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 c71c2a18-2005-41f1-baf9-febb620d684f 00:05:00.429 --> 00:05:02.277 differential access to capital, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 4389eaf7-a1e3-427d-a1e3-4fdb46ad62c1 00:05:02.280 --> 00:05:05.260 and I think that's key when we're NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 4af39ee9-0942-4d6c-aa64-064ee27f7c42 00:05:05.260 --> 00:05:06.980 thinking in critical terms. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 5a4839bb-1cd2-40f1-9396-0e9b5191346b 00:05:06.980 --> 00:05:10.289 So in my own study I had some NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 7b486422-46e0-462b-8b0d-1098b0a3429b 00:05:10.289 --> 00:05:12.204 wonderful participants and I'm still NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 b428820f-d0f3-4dda-8cea-440580440658 00:05:12.204 --> 00:05:14.756 in contact with the majority of them, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 ffc6a258-9955-4c72-8d8f-9c25dcf3838b 00:05:14.760 --> 00:05:17.520 and there were nine in total. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 c4abeb2f-89e0-4ff5-9b30-928bbe8cdd59 00:05:17.520 --> 00:05:20.954 And I looked at French students and NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 94cb0004-c0b8-4681-b78f-2d3e6682cfee 00:05:20.954 --> 00:05:22.644 and students from New Caledonia. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 76886cc3-23a8-443b-8b74-e9e596540ebe 00:05:22.650 --> 00:05:25.618 Their experiences in New Zealand on exchange. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 8bc83850-8f1e-4f2e-8420-d6d4ab505717 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:28.248 And then I followed along with NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 96e51021-a1b0-4f63-ad5e-ece3e2a7fa48 00:05:28.248 --> 00:05:31.392 some Kiwi students to France and NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 7ffbac92-4d02-4446-b7ee-47fd50532006 00:05:31.392 --> 00:05:34.777 tracked their own identity identity NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 9ff6ad9a-1c0e-4610-a76a-bcd5b807491c 00:05:34.777 --> 00:05:38.359 experiences over there as well so. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 02bee60e-8bb8-470b-8f6c-c2f62e3ffee4 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:39.650 Participants you know they just NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 b9df7120-6ed1-4f9b-8403-81350760a71c 00:05:39.650 --> 00:05:41.504 decided to join my study because they NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 373e003e-d287-488e-bfcc-d517d460738e 00:05:41.504 --> 00:05:43.052 were great people and they thought NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 f91833c0-8536-47a4-90b7-db9a1ad62e99 00:05:43.052 --> 00:05:44.630 it might be a good thing to do. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 855eb0fd-16f7-4b37-b959-2461398386da 00:05:44.630 --> 00:05:47.654 There was really nothing in it for them. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 832d45b2-266e-4174-843a-6774eecb152a 00:05:47.660 --> 00:05:49.646 But what what ended up happening NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 a43bc1b9-6496-42b2-b85f-8e8f9971475c 00:05:49.646 --> 00:05:51.620 is that a lot of them. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 f9781b2a-bc75-498e-9aaa-4211f33f8488 00:05:51.620 --> 00:05:53.080 Kind of surprisingly for me, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 a99c4c20-d953-4095-a41d-9548aeaad3b7 00:05:53.080 --> 00:05:56.032 really experienced marginalization NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 700ea210-536a-42a9-9edd-305468eeb783 00:05:56.032 --> 00:05:59.296 across different kind of categories. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 cded4c5e-70aa-4c84-95f9-e8670047ef64 00:05:59.296 --> 00:06:01.888 It was mainly based on ethnicity NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 8e39f32b-b883-4576-b672-3199d46c7699 00:06:01.888 --> 00:06:04.019 and the accent they used, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 1357a7a3-1258-4709-a888-6e32f2c3cc01 00:06:04.020 --> 00:06:06.660 and gender and sexuality as well. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 08dcede8-0dc5-4531-8633-e3315a3c727c 00:06:35.070 --> 00:06:36.170 And I have to say, these ideas. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 8e5b93df-01f4-4676-af07-427af2429a19 00:06:36.170 --> 00:06:36.570 You know, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 0632af16-c008-42ad-8b0e-c14560a58d7b 00:06:36.570 --> 00:06:38.040 I didn't start out with these ideas. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 c3ad0dca-c7f7-4ace-a5aa-4e8b8fb6a689 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.126 They kind of formed along the way NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 10922ac8-3313-424b-a2a7-c45de16e2717 00:06:40.126 --> 00:06:42.209 that the study was very emergent. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 c04ce626-b132-40cc-9911-7a50eeea3757 00:06:42.210 --> 00:06:43.482 I was looking at. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 08f3cc7f-0a31-4031-b0f0-18440650c370 00:06:43.482 --> 00:06:44.436 First of all, NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 b8b5be89-b371-4202-9f1e-377583d31c3a 00:06:44.440 --> 00:06:45.960 what identities are salient for NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 980e3cb9-8268-4fb8-9451-ed85baf8315d 00:06:45.960 --> 00:06:47.893 the students while they were in NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 ad622fc0-d3df-4b5a-aeb0-82d5f0a111b7 00:06:47.893 --> 00:06:48.958 their different contexts? NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 528e34b8-ad5f-4c50-9bf8-2b0e3191007c 00:06:48.960 --> 00:06:50.864 And then how will they were negotiated? NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 330ab17e-2205-4c98-837f-8d808351e39f 00:06:50.870 --> 00:06:53.246 And that's when the focus on NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 1e79bcf2-9e96-4c6e-a678-5c5c0c03ae08 00:06:53.246 --> 00:06:56.969 ideologies and power really came in. NOTE Confidence: 0.8357725535 e8771a56-583a-41f7-9e8d-0576a6b86427 00:06:56.970 --> 00:07:00.210 So I suggest. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 81ac9b82-c976-4273-a4f5-2bc7281c3c5c 00:07:33.860 --> 00:07:35.684 The histories that students. NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 64f42b22-a30c-4107-900c-c69e08aa4de2 00:07:35.684 --> 00:07:38.512 Bring and I realize I'm, you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 846fee33-a4f3-41ec-b706-2595b9da9e00 00:07:38.512 --> 00:07:39.867 essentializing using the word students, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 0e60ca35-9437-4f6b-9265-f927765eeff8 00:07:39.870 --> 00:07:42.702 but bear with me here the histories that they NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 f5e3c267-e9b4-445e-bd8e-025d3e59c010 00:07:42.702 --> 00:07:44.630 bring with them to the different context. NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 442200bc-c85d-4a6c-880b-543a5863a371 00:07:44.630 --> 00:07:45.488 That's also important, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 ddb06e03-23d4-4ac0-841e-d17eccb9530f 00:07:45.488 --> 00:07:47.490 and I'll touch on that in relation NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 f67b943c-efff-4149-adbb-708e036c370f 00:07:47.543 --> 00:07:49.047 to one particular participant. NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 e9adc431-fea1-4e7c-a5a7-8cf6a1b7b28b 00:07:49.050 --> 00:07:50.286 In a moment, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 ab87dc96-4b36-41d5-955f-a8a3be81b187 00:07:50.286 --> 00:07:53.170 what are their dreams for the future? NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 3d5902ab-11d5-48fe-9803-fc81ea7aed74 00:07:53.170 --> 00:07:55.150 What forms of capital and I'm NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 889b810d-f860-4b7f-aa29-3cf7136a8182 00:07:55.150 --> 00:07:56.870 drawing on board you here? 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NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 cfc399cf-51ca-4e1f-ba9c-b4b85ea3c3e6 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:18.600 For example, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 f48898a7-db1f-4918-b529-d3f59a60e6a9 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:19.620 with my participants, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 2aa86758-2ffd-431b-ba97-db98f55d51e9 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:20.340 I would never, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 28ca53c9-950b-4893-9435-694a32e53a7a 00:08:20.340 --> 00:08:20.820 you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 31cc3e0a-87cf-4777-aff0-460c4af5fd88 00:08:20.820 --> 00:08:22.368 after having met them saying what's NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 33e46afb-301d-485d-8528-bb279ac3396f 00:08:22.368 --> 00:08:23.788 the role of symbolic domination NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 03fc8f7a-dc31-4785-9107-32a9818b0ac8 00:08:23.788 --> 00:08:25.120 in your first infraction. NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 9b322717-446a-452f-b655-26bd33800521 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.656 OK, so these things are obviously NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 bb0df6e9-d8c1-4e77-90df-e26036305889 00:08:27.656 --> 00:08:30.136 you choose the terminology carefully. NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 2bef332c-3343-4e6e-b505-97d686fbb822 00:08:30.140 --> 00:08:32.180 They emerge from the discussion, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 0989530b-a5d0-4868-af3b-d97ba8151395 00:08:32.180 --> 00:08:34.360 and I'm not saying you, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 42e9be31-dee0-45f7-8a7a-39b7297dbbf6 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:36.520 you shouldn't ask these things explicitly, NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 caf2ffc6-712c-4e1f-8d4a-08575fab7878 00:08:36.520 --> 00:08:38.245 because I definitely have had NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 ed3eeaa8-afc0-41dc-8fe7-b089b7fede02 00:08:38.245 --> 00:08:38.935 explicit discussions. NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 ba6737d8-7951-4772-94c3-7812a1515769 00:08:38.940 --> 00:08:41.100 But a differently depends on the NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 7d615127-eb7a-432b-8ff3-768aff5928c7 00:08:41.100 --> 00:08:42.540 particular person you're working NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 dc23ad61-a97c-4e59-bc1a-37d4e8ed0d85 00:08:42.604 --> 00:08:44.294 with and what becomes important NOTE Confidence: 0.864952592 c087e244-3eed-4e0f-b8d3-2f44379bad26 00:08:44.294 --> 00:08:45.984 to them during their journey. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 7d0b9471-6e25-42e3-ac35-16a180936aca 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:51.326 So. Though yes, so they're. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 2fe65e3b-bdc6-48c6-a138-a2b95b294f01 00:09:08.020 --> 00:09:11.116 So in terms of a more concrete operation, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 b2f2a918-dede-4d6e-ac5f-827fd67f8c34 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.930 operationalisation. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 72acc812-bd23-4020-9e46-06c4f165694c 00:09:13.930 --> 00:09:17.339 I really saw value in this term. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 8c16b95c-690f-49a8-bb8c-28504289520b 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:21.120 Date hanging out and the actual NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 d44ad724-1ae5-4ae5-8fa1-a5be0f01fc0b 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.619 act of deep hanging out as well. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 b1e59859-bb1b-4ee7-9b3d-32e4d8fd0abe 00:09:23.620 --> 00:09:26.014 So first of all it conceptually NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 fc4f5d28-f40a-4e6b-b420-7dde0e4a2d55 00:09:26.014 --> 00:09:28.190 aligned with my research stance, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 2f03b729-7ba2-4026-8edf-37c01e3e20b2 00:09:28.190 --> 00:09:30.836 which I qualified as a bit of a mouthful, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 5718a4ef-65e4-42da-96c0-19816d6f0e3e 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:32.500 but participant focused ethnographic NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 4edac8c3-ea6d-4f45-8aec-a514ee02fd34 00:09:32.500 --> 00:09:36.840 approach with the critical wins, OK. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 8040405c-9266-45b7-b59d-9355bcac1e7b 00:10:12.184 --> 00:10:16.468 So what this means is that NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 fe59439f-3a67-4b75-9766-c6a2c0b30246 00:10:16.470 --> 00:10:18.010 I was an active participant, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 4df9f4ff-a5be-4580-8ed9-e801ab6daed2 00:10:18.010 --> 00:10:20.960 so of course that you know I had to be NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 8f163cb1-8979-47af-81c4-1ba5d18d4266 00:10:21.041 --> 00:10:23.451 very reflexive about my contribution NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 84f60035-9e0c-4179-a306-3637ecdca54a 00:10:23.451 --> 00:10:26.695 to collecting the data or being part NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 6ee5a8ae-1818-4c53-9dfc-1826c38d9151 00:10:26.695 --> 00:10:29.836 of the data shaping the data and it NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 8ce3dc81-0c7e-4d6f-9401-885afacbe6a6 00:10:29.836 --> 00:10:32.001 involved an engaged commitment to NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 052d227e-807a-42d6-8249-8af3a0ce0192 00:10:32.001 --> 00:10:34.170 developing relationships with participants, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 0c2af75e-2dc6-4f32-a062-2dd220706c15 00:10:34.170 --> 00:10:36.486 and that's not easy sometimes right? 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NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 6f04a86a-f6be-4d51-bd72-23b175116f71 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:19.752 So and also some parties I I was NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 c4ab874f-67e4-41f0-8659-bde41cba799c 00:11:19.752 --> 00:11:22.317 invited to a 21st birthday party. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 f654aad8-093b-48b3-ad66-1b0fec9e5208 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:22.550 Yes, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 d3fc8b73-d6a1-4f71-9bf9-c5e2218551a1 00:11:22.550 --> 00:11:23.930 I was probably the oldest person NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 4b4c1fae-3bb0-4d4c-8efc-4aca749114c1 00:11:23.930 --> 00:11:25.180 there apart from her parents, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 0aa173df-47cb-4200-a75e-15ae551e46d7 00:11:25.180 --> 00:11:27.742 but that was great and also an NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 0f96d478-26bf-4ff0-a93b-07aaf269f1d9 00:11:27.742 --> 00:11:29.968 election party when the French NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 1ae2ed86-613f-4f76-bd39-d7ebe02041c1 00:11:29.968 --> 00:11:31.549 elections were happening. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 517459ee-afa5-42be-a1b4-d20ad9a36511 00:11:31.550 --> 00:11:36.050 So yeah, I really immersed myself. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 a2278810-62a2-445f-81bb-e2dae10415fa 00:11:36.050 --> 00:11:38.010 In their lives and they, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 173668ab-1f8a-4b4b-b953-8656cd4408c9 00:11:38.010 --> 00:11:40.380 you know I didn't do it. They wanted to. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 cacc2a29-6849-4b36-b8da-d31212a96d8a 00:11:40.380 --> 00:11:41.810 We became friends, right? NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 dbe442e4-38e4-423c-97b0-6306baa44060 00:11:41.810 --> 00:11:44.090 There was a trust and transparency NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 0dc72cca-15c9-4528-bba9-80a1b8c91cec 00:11:44.090 --> 00:11:46.049 that developed over this period. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 6ebc170b-a070-44ad-afc9-bed173962897 00:11:46.050 --> 00:11:49.158 And what I really liked is that NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 f6dbe47a-197b-47c1-8e57-ed12f4604050 00:11:49.158 --> 00:11:51.340 this our little circles. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 dd4d2b79-cca7-4b59-adbd-f90938b8b517 00:11:51.340 --> 00:11:53.944 Crossed over because like at one point NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 2e4e6df6-00b0-4a49-a03d-b9a8f5f4b8cc 00:11:53.944 --> 00:11:56.272 I had French students along with NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 591197df-d8d3-4cb5-9c88-2d334d385640 00:11:56.272 --> 00:11:57.928 New Zealand students who were about NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 d0bbf3e7-e8be-4975-b616-42d52b45c019 00:11:57.928 --> 00:11:59.976 to go to France in the same city, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 e2d97f5f-8f6d-433f-a1f5-ea3d72c2d60d 00:11:59.980 --> 00:12:02.140 so they they, you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 4b330e93-7df5-4f72-8b3c-00aac06cd3ed 00:12:02.140 --> 00:12:04.030 had their own kind of forms of NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 4bd1b796-d6a7-4f7a-98ee-f2d36833fa1e 00:12:04.030 --> 00:12:05.360 deep hanging out as well. NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 338201d5-969a-4522-ae49-3350959fdcac 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.159 And it was just a really nice NOTE Confidence: 0.026440531 b248134f-b9ad-4a4a-94cd-9a07cea46d32 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:07.930 kind of supportive. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 dfe05fbb-d55f-45ec-a4bb-4ab468c7feb7 00:12:09.970 --> 00:12:13.300 Aspect I suppose for the research. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 23eeda3f-aa71-4d12-8571-9ac40a1f0b79 00:12:13.300 --> 00:12:15.132 So we got to know each other quite NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 c23acfa0-fc64-45fb-a06c-bb1230614d93 00:12:15.132 --> 00:12:17.144 well and I had a really good sense NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 41f9813a-3e41-46b2-9409-18034431a5b4 00:12:17.144 --> 00:12:18.679 of what was important for them. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 3f732086-14d8-455e-b39e-cdbece8b9ae2 00:12:18.680 --> 00:12:20.550 I understood their the affairs, NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 bf843e91-2ace-4a43-8514-617bfa9d6d9f 00:12:20.550 --> 00:12:22.514 their struggles with with NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 2f7bd3c1-6c0c-47cb-9e82-6b628534c785 00:12:22.514 --> 00:12:24.478 language or other things. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 e02681d7-8101-4c02-bf88-23cdd1860d79 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.289 I learned a lot of things about them that NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 ce2130df-0b31-42ba-81a8-655b61837105 00:12:26.289 --> 00:12:28.267 I wouldn't necessarily put in my study. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 e98e3595-6582-4bc1-b0bf-ce0a2b9bcf98 00:12:28.270 --> 00:12:30.457 Of course, I'll come to that in a moment, NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 f3221f1a-ce8c-4b52-86b0-b9937a994300 00:12:30.460 --> 00:12:34.498 but it just gave me a confidence when NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 11ae9e98-074d-406c-84a7-5675e55cf854 00:12:34.498 --> 00:12:37.947 I had the actual data in front of NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 9c27f2e5-967b-4a1b-9398-7bec8db0fd7f 00:12:37.947 --> 00:12:41.330 me because of kind of the depth of NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 2ddef18a-9858-4420-b50f-3d7d0f34d027 00:12:41.330 --> 00:12:44.519 understandings that we've established. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 e0c0d76f-d5f8-46ed-8a1c-80ebab947cbe 00:12:44.520 --> 00:12:48.008 So it's not easy. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 110d4d61-a267-445d-87f8-18b57109cf75 00:12:48.010 --> 00:12:49.725 You know, working with people in general, NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 a6311987-9190-4863-b1e2-be61d31a19a5 00:12:49.730 --> 00:12:51.992 there's always ups and downs and NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 05a5cb3f-cca6-44c5-ba50-0b5d685ac4af 00:12:51.992 --> 00:12:54.028 deep hanging out does require NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 fcd24662-18ee-4c7d-8033-2ed5d37feedc 00:12:54.028 --> 00:12:56.298 an ongoing navigation of roles. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 50c14c85-39c6-462f-86d6-e2ab653dfd0e 00:12:56.300 --> 00:12:58.280 Your you're a researcher, of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 7d91de7d-d297-438b-bc0a-0ae40803d659 00:12:58.280 --> 00:13:00.064 but you've become a friend you at times. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 02b10b36-dc2c-4566-9b8f-47fb86e3b0d5 00:13:14.450 --> 00:13:16.740 Requires an ongoing research to NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 dda8962b-7498-4003-beff-ac67192b78d7 00:13:16.740 --> 00:13:19.530 reflexivity that I mentioned before and NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 13289bb1-2ceb-4705-bab5-a04328913251 00:13:19.530 --> 00:13:22.104 an interrogation of our own assumptions. NOTE Confidence: 0.743469493333333 e4426d77-98b5-457d-a225-73912414d301 00:13:22.110 --> 00:13:24.096 OK, I think that's really important. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 834bd81b-db6e-4bf6-a9f7-e728c7b0452f 00:13:26.210 --> 00:13:28.285 Field notes that came really NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 a11fa342-a113-4306-8879-2b9e51e446f7 00:13:28.285 --> 00:13:31.012 important for me because I spending NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 5ba3247b-4837-44a8-96c3-53f1f7062df7 00:13:31.012 --> 00:13:32.988 time with these participants. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 583e1160-2498-4ee5-9558-fd8b415c335d 00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:35.246 You know, often my research brain was picked. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 4ad9d1aa-0a6a-4384-9020-8ea04e9b28d2 00:13:35.250 --> 00:13:36.629 I I would just imagine that we NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 ea6494c6-25a2-43e7-8daa-d06ba22b7f05 00:13:36.629 --> 00:13:37.850 were having a conversation, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 ff2a8972-f7d3-4e20-841e-ed8626a24de8 00:13:37.850 --> 00:13:39.704 normal conversation about something and then NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 3205e82f-c19b-4584-a10b-a5ffe2b70bc0 00:13:39.704 --> 00:13:42.178 all of a sudden a connection to theory. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 71318a74-3ca8-4449-9ed6-bcab4fad8870 00:13:48.380 --> 00:13:50.473 Very lengthy field notes and in my NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 747fe213-0b94-4909-9238-fece51aa1edf 00:13:50.473 --> 00:13:52.280 personal voice non academic voice, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 455283ff-5e86-4816-89b9-5d6a208d5c20 00:13:52.280 --> 00:13:54.194 but kind of note these connections NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 6dd577cc-8166-41c1-ad96-39c50d1d8644 00:13:54.194 --> 00:13:56.873 to theory as I was going and all of NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 f08d879c-eefc-49c3-a0db-35db58b1f5de 00:13:56.873 --> 00:13:58.860 this was part of the missingness NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 c9dfa030-1f8a-4588-8b1d-a006193edfb1 00:13:58.860 --> 00:14:00.618 of qualitative research. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 9329e8e4-218c-490b-8271-fa5ccc5c816b 00:14:19.220 --> 00:14:21.460 So there's a need to be aware of NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 f58d2f18-ae36-46fe-8b61-c5523b251923 00:14:21.460 --> 00:14:23.310 that as well. Trust and transparency. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 8c9f4ed8-017b-4949-94a9-56d97a9f2b44 00:14:23.310 --> 00:14:24.760 I think I mentioned already, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 34138587-564f-4275-9751-cd369109435e 00:14:24.760 --> 00:14:28.960 but that was key participants were made. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 22b3deca-6d32-4c8e-86a2-e9acefd042aa 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.676 I let participants know what was going NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 80a19237-dd19-4fbb-a5ca-d3350e826d26 00:14:31.676 --> 00:14:34.819 to be used as data and what wasn't, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 5654865c-e83d-443f-b8b2-3f46ca6c0718 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:36.464 and also for them. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 4c4fd90f-eccb-4a13-84ca-68ad80a6e2bd 00:14:43.990 --> 00:14:46.402 And it also requires an ongoing NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 a057b7e8-8cec-4d7c-8718-d5f61cfa0e7c 00:14:46.402 --> 00:14:48.510 investment in in people's lives, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 bc35bff5-fab7-4c4e-9074-4182bebfb442 00:14:48.510 --> 00:14:50.670 which for me was actually a NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 8a85917e-97d0-4434-8501-61a9deff5bec 00:14:50.670 --> 00:14:51.750 relatively smooth process, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 e70e4243-9934-493d-a5dc-ec0eca0a057a 00:14:51.750 --> 00:14:55.296 because we really did establish good NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 732ab330-95f6-42cd-aaa4-acbba0d0c9b2 00:14:55.296 --> 00:14:56.650 relationships, and I'm as I said, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 203c1ed1-6fff-452a-acda-c8100b62887c 00:14:56.650 --> 00:14:59.058 I'm still in contact with most of them. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 d7a02dfb-7814-4d24-827d-b96ad5a7dd89 00:14:59.060 --> 00:15:01.844 It's so interesting to see how they are. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 35250e6d-24b8-4b68-99af-602096b45abc 00:15:01.850 --> 00:15:04.720 Continuing now. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 5fee5ea1-f98f-4cfb-aaff-5d340b7f08cd 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.309 So it doesn't just end at the NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 a8613782-6fb6-49d0-9ada-fbc331085ab1 00:15:06.309 --> 00:15:07.938 end of data collection, right? NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 d35a4d79-6797-4188-bfcc-6692cf0bd85d 00:15:07.938 --> 00:15:09.050 Goodbye, nice, knowing you. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 bc49e901-4dd2-42c0-8316-aa344cebef9c 00:15:09.050 --> 00:15:10.820 That certainly wouldn't. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 8caa4579-e5e0-4988-88ff-1f292ffadcbd 00:15:10.820 --> 00:15:12.590 It wouldn't work. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 926a5cfd-aea0-457a-949b-1d7cea4e0a73 00:15:12.590 --> 00:15:12.916 OK. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 a47619e2-a221-45c1-82a2-afcf6e28b111 00:15:12.916 --> 00:15:13.242 Ohh, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 f51e8ecd-494a-4392-b325-bab044cffc6f 00:15:13.242 --> 00:15:15.198 how does drinking coffee and going NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 f1a1e37a-dd9a-409d-a236-aac80ac3acbe 00:15:15.198 --> 00:15:17.711 to the movies help us understand NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 0b41059d-399c-4360-90a8-6a659764a1fa 00:15:17.711 --> 00:15:19.503 participants as whole people? NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 b1fc1959-cff5-4ea6-bda7-0f309b1c4c36 00:15:19.510 --> 00:15:21.934 And how do these understandings help NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 47ec099e-3e29-4a4e-9666-f563d99414a7 00:15:21.934 --> 00:15:23.950 us analyse our discursive data? NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 28d37573-0655-4496-9646-11c1f550c8c3 00:15:23.950 --> 00:15:25.770 So as I mentioned? 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 976cecb0-3bfd-46d8-bbb0-b816c9db8cd6 00:15:46.990 --> 00:15:49.250 But again, I'm, I'm I'm. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 46c13327-f9c7-458b-92ea-19d00dd6b09d 00:15:49.250 --> 00:15:51.392 Not really on board with the word NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 826e4ead-d4fa-4ee4-8ddd-fab22a9c1bc6 00:15:51.392 --> 00:15:53.518 interview because most often they were NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 5b5ddc0d-dc0f-400d-a421-bf4fba4541c4 00:15:53.518 --> 00:15:57.400 naturally occurring checks again, OK. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 b82a3448-b9a9-497c-84b9-941f2184e3a2 00:15:57.400 --> 00:15:59.280 I also had e-mail data. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 50721e53-74f1-4042-997b-4ad86ce4c74e 00:15:59.280 --> 00:16:00.696 Sometimes I would ask a question. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 92d88629-8398-447e-9201-9b6baf354322 00:16:14.988 --> 00:16:16.768 The relevance for May really NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 6fcaa676-6f62-492c-b969-007b46a522d4 00:16:16.768 --> 00:16:19.140 was the friendship, the trust, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 a41d97df-25f2-4ac3-8eff-55d81a2493df 00:16:19.140 --> 00:16:21.450 the mutual respect that was established, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 0c5177a1-f4c5-4820-91d4-6421232d3bac 00:16:21.450 --> 00:16:23.400 and the confidence that I could NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 8cbbe45e-2705-459a-92d0-069e0b1c8856 00:16:23.400 --> 00:16:25.810 bring from that to the actual data. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 053456fb-eca7-4f85-9c4c-0462a21027cc 00:16:25.810 --> 00:16:28.010 So I wanted to kind of try to NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 e0c1e8df-b15b-49f6-9573-ab572a629e44 00:16:28.010 --> 00:16:30.069 demonstrate in a very rudimentary way, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 f6ba3210-c4a3-433f-b9b8-1fa976f2ad98 00:16:30.070 --> 00:16:32.420 how I applied these understandings NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 54fb9543-474f-4cb6-a3b5-3f8e7b6bd671 00:16:32.420 --> 00:16:34.570 to one particular participant. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 7955a7af-125a-48da-b959-bf1b1f9935d1 00:16:34.570 --> 00:16:38.490 So the next slide contains just a NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 36e9af6c-189d-41f4-a7fd-ce1610512bc1 00:16:38.582 --> 00:16:42.068 small snippet of data from Parsippany, NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 04056916-e9c9-4049-b4b1-78f1c122275f 00:16:42.070 --> 00:16:43.822 and she chose her pseudonym and NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 c0c0205b-1179-4747-aaa8-14d22b146e63 00:16:43.822 --> 00:16:44.990 her friend chose Athena. NOTE Confidence: 0.7880625865 d1c4e3ce-3164-4217-9436-2e2f663cd32c 00:16:44.990 --> 00:16:46.318 So I love it when I talk about. NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 bcbb924a-267a-454b-b4ea-08d455514a60 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.253 Symphony and but the Symphony was in NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 2cb042da-8569-4bb6-b173-15aea1b04f0f 00:16:49.253 --> 00:16:51.403 New Zealand University student studying NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 a2adaa77-8db9-41aa-b353-a279fbfb5354 00:16:51.403 --> 00:16:54.691 abroad in Paris and and just for context, NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 f6473aa1-8551-4c8b-9bc8-2ec4fd45d749 00:16:54.700 --> 00:16:57.612 she identifies as Kiwi Indians and New NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 26013be7-36c2-4abf-8aca-7fa99c6004a2 00:16:57.612 --> 00:17:00.708 Zealand Indian and she was very keen to NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 df62ee39-16a9-4fad-948b-030d0238ac07 00:17:00.708 --> 00:17:03.380 improve her French while she was in Paris. NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 9f5d9295-a527-4e84-a644-d3fc59a7912f 00:17:03.380 --> 00:17:06.236 She was already at upper intermediate level, NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 cac82503-fca2-47a0-bbf8-7a86481dcd1c 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.020 so she had a good command of the language. NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 278a363f-9d31-4e7d-931c-217d80f8ce76 00:17:10.020 --> 00:17:10.980 And it wasn't her only goal. NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 1e831287-9cca-4e03-9459-8c382382bb61 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:13.020 She really wanted to make NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 455e9611-d636-4509-9b1d-a6f63e913e65 00:17:13.020 --> 00:17:14.652 international friends and networks. NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 544641e3-5eab-4712-b49e-f9034fecb61c 00:17:14.660 --> 00:17:16.375 And she saw this as a stepping NOTE Confidence: 0.6550469112 6c8afa61-bebb-4f46-bed8-1a266d8485c1 00:17:16.375 --> 00:17:17.949 stone for her future career. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 0535b3da-5831-4bd6-b7aa-c4eaeb37ff0f 00:17:20.310 --> 00:17:23.110 So in the excerpt I'll show you Sydney NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 4f7ee08c-cad4-40a7-8792-84fde3e563b7 00:17:23.110 --> 00:17:25.695 is recounting her feelings about having NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 4a466d08-0f27-45a6-909a-9aedc8910d44 00:17:25.695 --> 00:17:27.955 her pronunciation corrected by her NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 205d95e7-87ac-4573-bbba-cd64c6b230c3 00:17:27.955 --> 00:17:30.766 French language teacher during her class, NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 7ad8c182-c611-4f09-91d2-0bf0a5761eb6 00:17:30.770 --> 00:17:32.310 so she only had one French class. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 a02ada3b-3450-44f2-8629-47ee645e648a 00:17:32.310 --> 00:17:35.412 The others were all political science NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 191ecdad-dab7-48dc-bdce-3ac9a1c19eab 00:17:35.412 --> 00:17:40.060 and whatnot. OK, so this was the class. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 5d77cd69-beb6-4c41-baf7-5754cf77d8a0 00:17:40.060 --> 00:17:42.030 That she struggled with because NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 cbb07e80-4758-41b7-8b98-e59267923fdc 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:43.606 she was constantly corrected. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 edb6b93f-69e1-425e-ac14-0b0b14277d24 00:17:43.610 --> 00:17:46.150 I wish I had the audio, but I don't, sorry. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 6ce8be2b-4cb5-4462-8b07-07a01ed00b3d 00:17:46.150 --> 00:17:48.950 So I've taken up the overlaps here NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 997f7630-1175-4c4c-b5f2-c1a15c8283f3 00:17:48.950 --> 00:17:50.820 I was there. I think it was there. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 91b34c8a-9509-42d4-acf7-eeb77cbff7a8 00:17:50.820 --> 00:17:53.116 There's lots of minimal feedback as well. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 09e9eaa1-04d7-47b8-a0bf-83c39a4184ad 00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:55.970 So basically says. It's not wrong. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 4673b778-e147-4540-b147-c3393c4b3057 00:17:55.970 --> 00:17:56.768 Do you know what I mean? NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 3f9a00e7-3cd4-4915-8824-2ef2ae50fff2 00:17:56.770 --> 00:17:57.558 It's just an accent, NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 46cdab44-48d2-4fad-b1be-8e405c8eb172 00:17:57.558 --> 00:17:59.251 so like I think and they correct you NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 775d2fd5-21c3-4dc7-ae73-a0fcc21e1e88 00:17:59.251 --> 00:18:01.107 because they want you to sound so French, NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 e86bc926-8dc0-405e-8720-f2aece3ba763 00:18:01.110 --> 00:18:02.986 but they and correct you cause they NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 6989f797-f79a-4243-b73c-f7f1d14054cd 00:18:02.986 --> 00:18:05.000 make you feel like you're wrong and NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 d3bd13a6-b438-4cc8-a2e5-2dfbfe33d1be 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:06.985 like we were talking about this and NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 95d6b8c9-6642-4add-af21-cb6cee7cf49b 00:18:06.985 --> 00:18:08.797 I was like I sort of I like sort NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 cfb91d67-fa01-43ed-b5b4-924de9c9ed27 00:18:08.797 --> 00:18:10.400 of having an accent when I speak NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 b28be9dc-1b73-4d2a-954a-2c9c771602c1 00:18:10.460 --> 00:18:12.182 French because it asserts my New NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 e172cb6f-9865-4044-9237-8e68ce7895fa 00:18:12.182 --> 00:18:13.881 Zealand identity and I want people NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 e2eb8733-167e-4b16-b239-c818c20c6120 00:18:13.881 --> 00:18:16.444 to know I'm in New Zealand and this. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 8876bc9a-8c5a-412b-9049-eeb255d0b3d2 00:18:16.444 --> 00:18:20.740 Was a very common theme of our discussions NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 3b8dcb48-f580-4152-968c-2d243be9d651 00:18:20.849 --> 00:18:25.185 throughout her her a few months in France. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 8da256d0-ed54-44e9-a8f4-42cbd5d77961 00:18:25.190 --> 00:18:27.906 So I presented this extract along with NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 d4a6c973-7473-44a5-93c6-68464b991290 00:18:27.906 --> 00:18:31.250 a few others at one of our discourse NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 589c63c6-11aa-4e98-b389-0320e848f25e 00:18:31.250 --> 00:18:32.916 analysis sessions in Wellington NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 aba57bf3-71bd-4b26-a363-7e9e054d80b2 00:18:32.916 --> 00:18:34.134 and New Zealand. NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 dd4c75b9-4798-4845-94f0-de87d96b4e03 00:18:34.134 --> 00:18:36.164 And it was really interesting NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 5f528659-3ea2-4307-b740-a70f7ef1579a 00:18:36.164 --> 00:18:39.012 because a couple of people who had NOTE Confidence: 0.85521430104 0bb653e3-eb09-4180-9cd7-62d557b37cd1 00:18:39.012 --> 00:18:40.200 language teaching backgrounds. NOTE Confidence: 0.7513046725 b1f9ceb4-cf5d-4236-9068-ec39a2456184 00:18:42.810 --> 00:18:46.210 Put forward the idea. NOTE Confidence: 0.7513046725 5402f6fa-d5eb-47f5-9c17-e90eab25dc96 00:18:46.210 --> 00:18:50.320 But they. Maybe it's somebody. NOTE Confidence: 0.7513046725 9fdd585b-8a4a-4b71-b226-7c53b92cb69f 00:18:50.320 --> 00:18:52.612 They put some of the idea NOTE Confidence: 0.7513046725 cff6af89-8ed4-4e90-9a58-c49478496926 00:18:52.612 --> 00:18:54.140 that Stephanie seemed highly NOTE Confidence: 0.7513046725 0142dad7-6087-48f4-9ca1-f68e4764700a 00:18:54.215 --> 00:18:56.675 unmotivated and that she seemed to NOTE Confidence: 0.7513046725 4cfd45e1-eae2-4be5-a958-5ccfe3afe9d6 00:18:56.675 --> 00:18:58.960 be rejecting the French culture, NOTE Confidence: 0.7513046725 100bea85-5a70-4e63-819f-4470106716ec 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:00.584 and then this is going to check something. NOTE Confidence: 0.51126599 9cf712cf-1b30-47bc-b49b-2c0b18290301 00:19:05.070 --> 00:19:07.898 Might have a *****? NOTE Confidence: 0.51126599 15d8b779-ab18-42b6-96dc-3a774baede77 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:11.492 It's not the same. It's James, no, NOTE Confidence: 0.51126599 84879f7f-ddc8-4445-b0db-34ad5ac4284a 00:19:11.492 --> 00:19:14.236 we're all fine and everybody is muted, NOTE Confidence: 0.51126599 d7104ffc-9b9d-4216-9d82-18d6e419ac01 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.040 so I can only assume that it's NOTE Confidence: 0.51126599 e8845d73-0544-4a7d-aaf9-d2e3efe42712 00:19:17.040 --> 00:19:18.240 something that's something NOTE Confidence: 0.51126599 cdc4be2a-bbf0-44a7-9f8f-e2a2cb31955a 00:19:18.314 --> 00:19:20.138 coming through the window. NOTE Confidence: 0.51126599 a9f383db-3381-4ed1-9a38-657120f6e95d 00:19:20.140 --> 00:19:21.870 Yeah, hmm, I think so. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 645625dd-8f10-46f3-8b9b-2e7b5ac9dd9c 00:19:30.630 --> 00:19:31.584 Thanks chicken. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 36088657-dc54-488a-b229-b033118451b2 00:19:31.584 --> 00:19:35.426 OK, yes we are still right. Thank you. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 b01c23f4-8f0b-453e-b8d5-b2fbb27c7ad3 00:19:35.426 --> 00:19:38.842 So yeah it was just cool session. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 c70a9d4a-8605-4c99-a947-197bb1830ce8 00:19:38.850 --> 00:19:41.810 A couple of people. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 e99caa61-d837-4e79-9923-7494530ef495 00:19:41.810 --> 00:19:45.394 Seems to. How do I put this? 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NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 55d6711b-da2f-454b-9461-69491b6633b8 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:12.721 This is assumption that we all want NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 b01bba97-c16c-462f-b2b2-f5b8893d4776 00:20:12.721 --> 00:20:15.230 to speak with the standard accent NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 01be0d56-42cd-49dc-af1c-e3298684f8a9 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:17.024 or this assumption that our main NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 d6ede58f-b59d-437f-a0b8-fdc310d99278 00:20:17.024 --> 00:20:19.692 goal of going on study abroad is to NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 221e8ee5-5440-4207-bc07-6b7c721098a7 00:20:19.692 --> 00:20:21.452 immerse ourselves in the culture, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 ae86e402-2a2a-41a4-8b8f-e24916d53e41 00:20:21.460 --> 00:20:23.108 take on the culture. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 332dc194-80cf-4f05-8632-6a9caed6ced6 00:20:23.108 --> 00:20:26.620 But culture is often conceived of in a NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 8af79696-c6c4-41c0-b9a6-8ed9975b59df 00:20:26.620 --> 00:20:29.020 very monolithic and essentializing way. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 951fa225-ea5a-42a2-bbed-57bd95c0eff4 00:20:29.020 --> 00:20:30.892 The second he had no interest in that NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 97eb5914-6895-4214-ae82-334441cc1d5b 00:20:30.892 --> 00:20:32.490 she wanted to improve it for him. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 301a468b-de69-4b4c-b5b2-073cf7f17914 00:20:32.490 --> 00:20:34.000 She wanted to meet people, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 11e43cb8-cfab-44eb-a5ed-73a4910fb74a 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.200 but not necessarily French people. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 a90d68f6-9dad-4d7d-800a-008438263ec8 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:38.318 She wanted to meet, you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 7ca4331d-f64d-4bfc-9be9-f5611d07b7f7 00:20:38.320 --> 00:20:41.581 an international bunch. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 426537f1-614a-4afb-8c62-6ac0645e06c6 00:20:41.581 --> 00:20:42.668 So. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 a5b02450-2dd0-43e1-b736-c515b45023ee 00:20:42.670 --> 00:20:44.700 So this will make with some confusion NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 c80a2c30-7e52-4b30-9339-f1b0a3fac392 00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:47.035 which I found interesting as I was NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 c255a086-104b-418b-bf59-42b3cc1964e3 00:20:47.035 --> 00:20:48.880 presenting this data so and I'll NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 de6bc160-292e-4066-a9e0-5d86c76877fd 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.050 return to this idea in a moment. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 17ee88ec-5313-4489-97dc-746b6348dca6 00:20:51.050 --> 00:20:54.130 But as it stands, if I didn't have, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 8e0f0088-d4e8-46a5-9829-37bca3b8cecb 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:57.156 you know the hanging out element, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 9db682e8-eafd-40a4-90e8-222c3a9370a2 00:20:57.156 --> 00:21:00.312 you can still glean some information NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 a4b3ab38-d1e1-4567-82ce-d77514999a2d 00:21:00.312 --> 00:21:03.340 here right about what's going on. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 47ec7fce-1993-4275-a0c7-9e0c33ff8ee3 00:21:03.340 --> 00:21:05.338 There's a different US in being NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 b5bcd29f-c2b7-41d2-b35e-4b6b6da191a0 00:21:05.338 --> 00:21:06.670 division coming through right NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 1f507b6b-74ad-4a06-b810-e437565423b3 00:21:06.726 --> 00:21:08.196 and and her pronoun choice. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 349154fd-f3f0-404a-84c7-e3de0fc4535c 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:10.419 There's a seeming refusal to sound French, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 466c4deb-a75e-4a3d-945c-fcd453f58a28 00:21:10.420 --> 00:21:13.308 and we can see obviously that her New NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 a6cee791-1cd1-4488-a185-53f75ee0f64c 00:21:13.308 --> 00:21:15.780 Zealand identity is very important to her, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 1945cf93-d4f2-4091-8145-a8aef92b9394 00:21:15.780 --> 00:21:18.293 and that was all supported by the NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 09bb225d-f3b5-46d9-a301-562e4c7d72eb 00:21:18.293 --> 00:21:19.680 ethnographic deep hanging out, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 44476fc8-53c7-4142-a87f-d77782961559 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:21.480 OK? NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 7807551b-8f42-4476-81e4-fee242ceedfa 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:24.469 But what the the deep hanging out NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 350937d9-63f1-4847-b327-a1556ae45912 00:21:24.469 --> 00:21:27.239 offered was access to her wholeness. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 58bcfae3-ef5f-4742-9e4f-5c94131f1ff2 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.080 I suppose her intersecting identities, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 9c01e3ff-db27-409c-9b6d-4879b5517a35 00:21:30.080 --> 00:21:33.111 the importance of her history and her NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 d55d63a5-4c11-4b1c-b9e0-3a4e2b4aaf88 00:21:33.111 --> 00:21:34.833 developing critical consciousness of NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 233ef23f-83e0-4e0b-8422-d3480e71bd32 00:21:34.833 --> 00:21:36.975 this idea of her ideological becoming, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 fb75951c-e4b3-4075-a891-cf1df5305d22 00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:37.564 because really, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 062eb1d1-025c-4bec-b379-03637ab09a10 00:21:37.564 --> 00:21:39.608 this was such a moment of growth NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 aff92af0-146a-4688-971c-a00077221a92 00:21:39.608 --> 00:21:41.476 for her while she was overseas. NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 6e21b458-3e4f-43f3-8f37-ce35abf99b33 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.456 She was examining these power structures, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 f2515e51-5730-4873-a7d4-a59862673f80 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:47.172 and she was probably my most NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 250f43bb-71a2-4a45-bff5-bb18b64d115c 00:21:47.172 --> 00:21:48.076 reflective participant, NOTE Confidence: 0.59150103125 7846f944-bdde-42cd-bd05-4decfe050d0e 00:21:48.080 --> 00:21:50.248 so she's a good one to introduce here. NOTE Confidence: 0.846811569 8cb6968a-2f03-4373-8a46-873b7a692c37 00:21:52.350 --> 00:21:54.142 So what would I know from the NOTE Confidence: 0.846811569 a3c3049a-4d77-4bda-bb99-c477aa6b04b2 00:21:54.142 --> 00:21:55.608 deep hanging out, of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.846811569 816cfa7a-d9b1-423a-a604-3e683dc79c2c 00:21:55.608 --> 00:21:57.702 is that she was highly motivated NOTE Confidence: 0.846811569 055cca03-c1dc-45f1-a444-770b580282f5 00:21:57.702 --> 00:22:00.345 to improve her fridge and and she NOTE Confidence: 0.846811569 4b7702f2-6cc2-404b-a6c9-7f56e78bbc41 00:22:00.345 --> 00:22:02.220 wasn't uncritical in her engagement NOTE Confidence: 0.846811569 1c806ab4-8e11-4ec6-bd5d-9883afc9a748 00:22:02.289 --> 00:22:04.269 with the notion of the French NOTE Confidence: 0.846811569 759ebd0a-0476-4834-a942-2db7502d6bd4 00:22:04.269 --> 00:22:06.360 culture or the French language. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.705499301666667 7e089590-bfa7-4783-a5ad-39369b5d2c99 00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:40.865 You know deeper knowledge to NOTE Confidence: 0.705499301666667 8764a729-586d-40d1-b2b7-963d86f059a2 00:22:40.865 --> 00:22:42.501 the interactions with their NOTE Confidence: 0.705499301666667 264df9de-109f-4c45-ac5d-33a9eeec3a00 00:22:42.501 --> 00:22:44.080 French language teacher, NOTE Confidence: 0.705499301666667 06e2c852-dcc0-45a8-919e-9c06d3060597 00:22:44.080 --> 00:22:45.585 or at least more critical NOTE Confidence: 0.705499301666667 39b35436-d2bf-49d4-b890-aa2b34962008 00:22:45.585 --> 00:22:46.789 understandings of how they've NOTE Confidence: 0.705499301666667 9fdaf17a-c54c-41d1-8e49-da1559cab554 00:22:46.789 --> 00:22:48.630 come to to be at that point. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 6c100967-0488-47f9-8cf1-ab89d9f5e94b 00:22:50.740 --> 00:22:52.612 So adding further dates so from NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 750009eb-3faa-4204-a516-bdc68f684cf8 00:22:52.612 --> 00:22:55.090 *** **** hanging out and from NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 d88d2dc6-cbe9-4d12-ad4d-a1836f27ffe6 00:22:55.090 --> 00:22:57.250 her e-mail reflections as well. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 67d5eb45-96b3-4d04-9e3e-00faaf942d18 00:22:57.250 --> 00:22:59.609 We can see the ongoing importance that NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 4565ed8c-88f6-4779-b561-6cbb1745497a 00:22:59.609 --> 00:23:02.122 she attached to her mother's story. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 7310255e-82a4-4ae7-afa0-4bcb8303e2bc 00:23:02.122 --> 00:23:06.460 Now her mother, UM, is very important too. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 d986bbbf-0b6d-46d8-b7aa-9cea193b6523 00:23:06.460 --> 00:23:07.573 Passive to Parsippany, NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 d2068700-81a6-4195-86a7-2c787834295d 00:23:07.573 --> 00:23:10.749 she came to New Zealand from India at a NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 b3f59d2e-da23-48ae-b6e2-b18e39656b06 00:23:10.749 --> 00:23:13.370 very young age and she came to get married. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 38f7984f-0d28-4ffb-ad64-188baa06f390 00:23:13.370 --> 00:23:16.758 For many, many years she's worked at NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 b9b3ddb4-d42d-41ab-aba2-f159b741d644 00:23:16.758 --> 00:23:19.079 McDonald's and everything that she's NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 f92a62a0-bf3f-4c46-9351-3b1e3b96f8f4 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:21.278 done has been for her daughters, right. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 ea3e0d80-af14-4ae3-b722-2a9209c3acbc 00:23:21.278 --> 00:23:22.382 Her three daughters. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 fa8e1900-de1c-4315-bec9-37a00f1e1a7a 00:23:22.382 --> 00:23:23.486 And So what? NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 acfa7217-f0ac-4c2b-8e09-46b2e7ba51eb 00:23:23.490 --> 00:23:25.866 We talked a lot about about her mother, NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 3433fa60-b105-4ca1-ac58-fc77e7b38222 00:23:25.870 --> 00:23:28.579 as if his mother and her relationship NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 7be4bab9-0a35-4cf4-bac0-0fe3d340a6fd 00:23:28.579 --> 00:23:31.678 and part of Persephone's ongoing identity NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 9d56b687-071e-4065-b935-fbdb29eebed0 00:23:31.678 --> 00:23:34.763 struggles were around this reconciliation NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 53f6a83c-0090-4c44-9b41-7c9ca601d437 00:23:34.763 --> 00:23:38.690 of her humble roots and what she saw is, NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 9597ea07-3b9a-4ee8-90c2-417da9f9bc54 00:23:38.690 --> 00:23:41.294 you know, kind of the more elitist NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 683356ca-b079-44ee-9950-f85b5cdc63e3 00:23:41.294 --> 00:23:43.049 and ostentatious aspects of Paris. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 7f732787-1663-483e-bf33-d4b9748e193e 00:23:43.050 --> 00:23:44.160 So that was an ongoing. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 7334352a-482f-480f-9f34-c0bd6cc06cc7 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:46.188 Struggle for here. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 4c2a89bf-a337-4c97-9455-ac8f11560726 00:23:46.190 --> 00:23:46.506 You know, NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 e7dce835-bf52-4fb5-bf0c-cb814ac509a0 00:23:46.506 --> 00:23:47.454 if I didn't know that and NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 de169d76-619a-490b-ad23-58a47269781c 00:23:47.454 --> 00:23:48.350 I'm just coming at this, NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 fda2dedd-d555-45cc-accd-124018bcd088 00:23:48.350 --> 00:23:51.577 is this is an unmotivated language learner. NOTE Confidence: 0.645357044714286 0963d46f-0a50-4ca3-a81e-7899b4038c8f 00:23:51.577 --> 00:23:55.280 There's so much depth that's lost there. NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 31956ac6-4626-4862-9e68-e12491327876 00:23:57.860 --> 00:24:00.296 So let me just make sure I'm NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 4a2dff2d-16e0-4f0d-bd0f-a2bcd9933d71 00:24:00.296 --> 00:24:01.340 capturing everything here. NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 cf6b4ead-00a9-4e3c-b1ac-347d3597d883 00:24:01.340 --> 00:24:03.496 So 4 grounding her New Zealand identity, NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 6a30a7c9-1eb6-422a-a0d7-2035091e6b86 00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:06.076 then was intimately tied to her history. NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 efa38f9d-0285-4a64-967b-e23f53101572 00:24:06.080 --> 00:24:07.340 Her mother's history, NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 fa1086a6-4ece-4158-93f0-2be21a2a1412 00:24:07.340 --> 00:24:09.860 and it was intended by foregrounding NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 a6367288-8eb6-4f12-86a3-7e93d682a832 00:24:09.860 --> 00:24:11.770 her New Zealand identity. NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 8424e33f-3118-4239-b639-886cc69f15a7 00:24:11.770 --> 00:24:13.580 It was intended to index NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 ccafebeb-35ac-4513-8a0f-75e83a7d8f23 00:24:13.580 --> 00:24:15.028 these qualities of humility, NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 a579b98e-b19f-4561-934e-72ef2891dc2c 00:24:15.030 --> 00:24:16.258 being down to Earth, NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 8603d7e2-8584-42ac-a1f0-a9e9bb058d2d 00:24:16.258 --> 00:24:17.793 which kind of you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 dffe9a0f-0a26-4d18-a1cf-86c45bbdde7f 00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:20.170 separates from what she saw NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 31a6ad2f-8d47-41b0-9db2-26f75a97549a 00:24:20.170 --> 00:24:23.910 as the prison's identity. NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 a5ef3a8b-e7d2-4064-abc2-d2158ab12092 00:24:23.910 --> 00:24:26.353 So not just a surface level problematised NOTE Confidence: 0.860721613 b642c793-c323-4689-9eab-87664c20427e 00:24:26.353 --> 00:24:28.587 stance I think would be key here. NOTE Confidence: 0.17766792 ce7a9007-8e49-4255-a63c-0708d4164954 00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:31.830 So. NOTE Confidence: 0.774200028 d8aa56c0-2b54-426b-bea5-e11990fe3c80 00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:35.814 We can actually, NOTE Confidence: 0.774200028 80aad3c3-33fa-4b09-8bd4-36c6bb4dc022 00:24:35.814 --> 00:24:37.962 and a second way to operationalize NOTE Confidence: 0.774200028 312845e1-57dd-4366-a69b-71f885c71429 00:24:37.962 --> 00:24:39.989 this idea of the whole person, NOTE Confidence: 0.774200028 f1daff11-dfdb-49af-9706-1cdd6818aaa8 00:24:39.990 --> 00:24:43.440 is to focus on ideology. NOTE Confidence: 0.774200028 450324fb-8072-4c05-9c36-f19144f0fe52 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.260 So how, what role are ideologies, NOTE Confidence: 0.774200028 ffc4ab7f-5b2b-48f3-a7c1-65ca9f53e676 00:24:46.260 --> 00:24:48.748 having on the interactions. NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 46224ed4-c6c0-4008-a788-110df6e7319d 00:24:52.590 --> 00:24:55.142 The idea that there is a best way NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 3812f2f8-fb3b-4254-80a5-f3d29918e90d 00:24:55.142 --> 00:24:57.442 to speak a particular language is NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 ff68776e-efaf-4f19-90aa-135b2705e2a3 00:24:57.442 --> 00:24:59.910 as a clear example and Persephone's NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 92d782ae-2a51-43f3-8540-432ce3f39972 00:24:59.910 --> 00:25:02.555 case of a hegemonic ideology, right? NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 95696201-91aa-4ba3-8067-baceedcb6956 00:25:02.555 --> 00:25:04.270 These are the ones I focused on. NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 722411a4-34aa-45e7-9eaf-6dc70bb4e2c0 00:25:04.270 --> 00:25:06.518 For the ones that have become so normalized, NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 1ceb5bfa-9738-4df4-9c2e-d8d04d24e785 00:25:06.520 --> 00:25:08.950 so common sense if I get. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 9fcdc8f4-51ce-43aa-af64-6284ade0f71f 00:25:16.520 --> 00:25:17.984 And so, in France, NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 185c85a8-070d-4549-89b6-c13cd625776e 00:25:17.984 --> 00:25:20.785 some of you may be aware the NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 e0817c59-38a9-4a6f-ada7-b1d3cc009a64 00:25:20.785 --> 00:25:23.340 traditional mode of teaching we're NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 7d4f7993-5a53-4e44-80b8-81013d2fee82 00:25:23.340 --> 00:25:26.404 being correct and all facets is NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 951bbfe1-cb5e-423f-8bf7-69d241fff48c 00:25:26.404 --> 00:25:28.719 still very strong in France. NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 88bba8c5-a3c0-41b6-8a07-3772c2d88d72 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.128 And it's just and for me it was NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 e99d1705-24b1-4fee-b629-76680b70cb99 00:25:31.128 --> 00:25:32.891 interesting because it's a discourse NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 8e62c23a-c162-41fb-a4fe-b131fe7d817e 00:25:32.891 --> 00:25:35.087 that many of my participants had NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 c5f81229-50f7-47dc-b631-3b7853ad7f9d 00:25:35.087 --> 00:25:36.827 internalized whether they were from NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 6d1a2062-52a2-4fd2-bb56-ee2324ff4423 00:25:36.827 --> 00:25:40.430 New Zealand or from France, so. NOTE Confidence: 0.852894172105263 8a5a7a50-40a8-467f-acc3-3a17d3a05008 00:25:40.430 --> 00:25:44.770 This idea of speaking a particular way. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 9be57ec5-eca9-4d72-a35a-e124d781a40e 00:26:44.100 --> 00:26:46.044 Time and she assumed this desire NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 cdc9a2c0-bc18-4595-b274-1b456285ee51 00:26:46.044 --> 00:26:48.170 on the part of Parsippany, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 895033ed-e665-41fa-816e-999af81151c2 00:26:48.170 --> 00:26:49.844 and likely all students in the NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 1e4b3cb8-7b47-4b48-aba8-6e52ea2d919d 00:26:49.844 --> 00:26:52.069 class to want to speak in this NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 80a0373c-cee3-4cc2-b801-4203d5d3fada 00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:53.819 particular way because of the NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 291e61b9-b2a1-46e3-9f3a-2dec6cdc4993 00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:55.589 assumed capital that would bring. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a7addec7-d594-42cd-82f0-b68be01d72b4 00:26:55.590 --> 00:26:57.990 So she's not doing anything wrong per se, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 8189404e-1aa5-4a14-b963-a3e57ab7acbd 00:26:57.990 --> 00:26:59.404 but we can see both of them. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 3e48717e-ebd8-481d-aa83-dacef489e571 00:26:59.410 --> 00:27:03.450 Kind of embroiled in the in these ideologies, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 d233b1f6-e4fe-441f-babb-616ede7a783b 00:27:03.450 --> 00:27:05.690 because when we look at the historical NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 674e85d7-33b2-4025-b551-5797722071fe 00:27:05.690 --> 00:27:07.798 formation of the standard language ideology NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 2d5c1de8-a1bb-4086-85e7-6e20760fab72 00:27:07.798 --> 00:27:10.325 in France or in the French context, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 df33fd5a-8982-44ca-a20d-463142e7d8c2 00:27:10.330 --> 00:27:12.070 we get a lot more information. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 486fd40d-fead-4791-8fe4-ff1b6015089d 00:27:12.070 --> 00:27:13.630 So this one nation, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 f462e886-b548-4ae7-bd48-a5d80a0bd7cd 00:27:13.630 --> 00:27:14.410 one language. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 314fd36c-fe0b-4a9a-934c-78ce8a3ab599 00:27:14.410 --> 00:27:16.330 Sorry man. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 7c98ca88-a679-468b-99d6-af60b16ad505 00:27:16.330 --> 00:27:19.138 Has not been helpful apart from NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 eaa51d20-cd5c-4055-b292-e4e1dc72c7d1 00:27:19.138 --> 00:27:21.655 creating division right and then NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 4780d8bf-d0d7-465b-bb70-5090684e7ad5 00:27:21.655 --> 00:27:23.911 you've got institutional support NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a9e0b8c9-1d17-44a1-a6b5-879a98b0ee18 00:27:23.911 --> 00:27:26.167 like the Academy Francais. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 beff2015-44c0-4dab-8fe5-ad1355dc3cbd 00:27:26.170 --> 00:27:30.630 The assimilationist policies for migrants, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 06a577ec-c978-4cb1-bd48-b44c0129e003 00:27:30.630 --> 00:27:33.768 the lack of home language support, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 4039c05d-233d-4dcc-a230-3bbbea01feee 00:27:33.770 --> 00:27:35.846 language learning we can see when NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 22ca69c2-4fff-4a30-9ea1-ddf51d0fe257 00:27:35.846 --> 00:27:38.070 we dive into the ideologies, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 5d1eaa0a-950b-4099-888e-bf550316057b 00:27:38.070 --> 00:27:40.635 never exempt from social processes NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 54d02666-62fb-4f74-9d19-daacdc410918 00:27:40.635 --> 00:27:42.687 of inclusion and exclusion. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a05fb7bd-f07d-4d9c-803f-69775ba691a4 00:27:42.690 --> 00:27:45.252 So by looking at kind of NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 6e2542b7-dd39-43cb-ae25-c86db8abcfee 00:27:45.252 --> 00:27:46.533 the ideological roots. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a9bfc94f-6c0f-4d61-9322-062d960b3808 00:27:46.540 --> 00:27:48.720 Again, we can get more, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 11d69ef9-bf14-4099-8e32-ab686082a54c 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.680 UM, depth in our analysis. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 d07faa8a-f731-445e-a930-e1b57fe25b7b 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.456 And we can consider, you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 89f95f0c-0dfc-4bee-af59-0bc85a8ebd72 00:27:54.460 --> 00:27:56.440 ideas of power, marginalization, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 f6368d44-98d2-4054-9f83-fb3ec75226fe 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.420 resistance and transformation because NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 6fabe1f3-5819-4900-94b3-754eaccd9864 00:27:58.420 --> 00:28:00.968 she was pushing back and deploying NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a90c32d8-68a8-4beb-8960-ade8f772eb11 00:28:00.968 --> 00:28:03.206 her agency and miss, you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 b43fc6ab-43c8-4ae0-8d97-c84a19639263 00:28:03.206 --> 00:28:05.444 amidst this great kind of power, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 c1b8ecc4-12fe-43a3-81f4-b9e31a499f25 00:28:05.450 --> 00:28:10.266 so seeds of agency were really important. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 71324002-6040-40ca-a356-9f020b8b5121 00:28:10.270 --> 00:28:12.878 And I just wanted to touch on here. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 65297c2d-da7e-4e9b-81fd-2bb4fc6adf2e 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:13.804 Because I've mentioned, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 cce36b55-8f0a-4a90-9aae-011f001eb53d 00:28:13.804 --> 00:28:15.652 you know the history of things, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 704fbf2b-fdc8-488c-979c-f61b9a20f729 00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:18.520 this really useful quote from NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 3d94a2a8-c90a-456a-8749-3fc2aad0d733 00:28:18.520 --> 00:28:21.380 Monica Heller and Bonnie Mcalhaney, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 38314a46-6bc2-4a68-aa16-33fb01f05fe1 00:28:21.380 --> 00:28:23.977 who say walking backwards into the future. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 e465528f-118e-444c-882a-9be73ea9753f 00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:26.311 I really love it because it shows NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 1059004e-2309-4f32-993f-afb92a83152a 00:28:26.311 --> 00:28:28.256 how when we're analyzing any NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 2adc00a9-2d1f-451f-8d34-5572af0025a7 00:28:28.256 --> 00:28:30.436 interactional data in the now, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 c649f1ab-b5e2-40b9-8735-911b9ba2290a 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.402 we can simultaneously draw from what's NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 5e2fc6ec-61f1-4ad6-9b91-77ca1a8d1da6 00:28:32.402 --> 00:28:35.247 come before in terms of looking at the NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 0616abab-0462-43d9-92f3-0bfcafc81449 00:28:35.247 --> 00:28:36.719 historical formation of ideologies, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 32f5e0a7-f493-4641-b9d2-fe0534685a82 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.890 looking at what's happening now, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 e82c88f4-ee47-433e-aa65-5c40744a5565 00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:40.975 but also projecting into a NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 48840171-6d33-46ac-9527-76b8a2d27e1b 00:28:40.975 --> 00:28:42.826 hopeful and transformative. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 715799c0-3fde-425e-8717-1d192f720700 00:28:42.830 --> 00:28:45.508 In the future, at some point, OK, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 e125b36d-dd95-41e9-9e9c-a2fb6afecdf0 00:28:45.508 --> 00:28:48.212 we might not always be easy to see. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 8c7dbdfd-6e2b-4df8-a494-896eaa57b256 00:28:48.220 --> 00:28:50.257 So I just wanted to show that NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 55da3152-8f0e-49ea-b618-d9c7e0efde65 00:28:50.257 --> 00:28:52.657 because it's a quote I I really like. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 985b14a4-19e7-4f71-a3bf-ad13bbd5cc6f 00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:54.815 And it's also particularly important NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a6375f64-a62e-4e70-b370-a1f32ccf2898 00:28:54.815 --> 00:28:59.549 this idea of past, present and future. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 8cc6c01e-09a6-4110-a675-02bc4d116eb8 00:28:59.550 --> 00:29:03.090 And the current research project. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 4e4b8578-9984-460e-92d0-e3661179ad54 00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:05.820 That I am. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 f0a25c91-104a-432d-a599-7a16eefd489c 00:29:05.820 --> 00:29:08.460 Kind of about to start right right now NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a5a26f26-7cbe-41c3-a907-b7b03790554b 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:11.330 while I'm over here in the UK and Europe, NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 a8c22cef-1398-4ffd-b3a8-032538d91712 00:29:11.330 --> 00:29:14.420 this is looking at stigma and NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 968a7461-ec9f-46e6-82fe-220d049ba586 00:29:14.420 --> 00:29:16.480 ideologies and experiences of NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 524e80ec-ca03-4e6a-bbb7-db3a3b0db5df 00:29:16.569 --> 00:29:19.449 functional neurological disorder. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 84f4c883-357d-44ad-b975-1ed4a8605281 00:29:19.450 --> 00:29:22.761 At the moment I'm doing some ethnographic NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 4b97d2e0-c34b-42b8-a7b8-7e4ab2d8a6e7 00:29:22.761 --> 00:29:25.443 field work whereby I I'm going NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 9c5602aa-5d6d-44f9-b895-fb590e68de19 00:29:25.443 --> 00:29:27.807 to visit specialists in the area. NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 18698f67-2769-4a6a-87d0-ce28fc70ffc6 00:29:27.810 --> 00:29:29.335 People who are really aware NOTE Confidence: 0.682360250545455 7793a599-036c-4f9f-a95a-25c25a4d7770 00:29:29.335 --> 00:29:30.860 of the stigma and are NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 dde0b848-d645-4744-8943-579ab257dc98 00:29:30.927 --> 00:29:33.447 trying to reframe it and at the same time NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 7e11cf9e-5730-4a38-b751-0b7a37656a36 00:29:33.447 --> 00:29:35.692 I'm going back in time, not literally, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 fbfc194f-bb28-4a13-ae75-f168bb7f525f 00:29:35.692 --> 00:29:39.019 but I'm going back to a hospital in Paris NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 1293e9f7-beaf-47ce-b6b0-413ac0ef2ab2 00:29:39.019 --> 00:29:41.861 where hysteria was made famous and I'll NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 943c8773-e039-4e67-a392-0d85588c5995 00:29:41.861 --> 00:29:44.740 explain why that's relevant in a moment. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 7947f5f6-3dbc-4841-acec-cbbbe709d8fc 00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:47.452 So I'm really just kind of NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 15b76849-20fc-4632-96b3-83e62ffefca2 00:29:47.452 --> 00:29:49.395 collecting data trying to deepen. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 6a6b9424-db80-4e8d-854c-cb0b0528ac67 00:29:49.395 --> 00:29:52.483 I understand and speak before I get to the NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 d5d4a536-72c5-4c29-a4e1-a03cbb99b0ae 00:29:52.483 --> 00:29:56.340 phase of working with with real people. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 04bc3c8c-956e-443c-93cb-de80926df912 00:29:56.340 --> 00:29:58.980 So. Have you heard of FND? NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 fd89a46f-6124-456f-898c-c4a3d0325da0 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:01.900 I know Paulina had. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 09d41118-f970-4cb0-babb-8d779f642ad5 00:30:01.900 --> 00:30:05.905 OK yeah, so most people haven't heard of it. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 16082182-4936-4a90-8c19-3003b8e84e5d 00:30:05.910 --> 00:30:09.526 It used to be known as conversion disorder, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 d04a6eff-bd0c-43ee-8937-1075e0b6063f 00:30:09.530 --> 00:30:12.554 and before that hysteria. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 21baaf4e-f822-4c22-8649-b9e33cdb8494 00:30:12.554 --> 00:30:15.720 OK, you've probably heard of hysteria, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 aa98a455-8bb1-4fa3-858c-694acae3750f 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:21.000 so been around for a for a long, long time. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 f9bb3eae-835a-43a7-a3d0-92d330b1f7c9 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.884 What what happens just very very quickly NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 2a220bd9-6deb-4842-aea0-dabe54a6841d 00:30:23.884 --> 00:30:27.282 is that there's a problem with the brain NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 066a1644-98b7-403d-bae9-a00587e02d2c 00:30:27.282 --> 00:30:30.376 receiving signals or or sending out signals, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 49d107bb-8f78-4afe-bb8d-e9bd6034b1f3 00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:33.020 and the symptoms are physical. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 a16dcf05-160c-45df-b209-231ffff24ef1 00:30:33.020 --> 00:30:35.462 OK, that arise from this so NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 1a9c188a-e475-43cb-8d36-9faeeb093d7c 00:30:35.462 --> 00:30:36.683 they're debilitating symptoms. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 f79179ed-c3a8-49b9-a0a5-210f6e6f46fc 00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:39.440 There they can be seizures, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 915d93e7-0336-4ea1-a157-5e4af6f3b896 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.464 abnormal movements, tremors, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 0bab7159-e6f7-404e-b5b0-ae5e3d5361a9 00:30:42.464 --> 00:30:45.295 cognitive symptoms, paralysis, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 2b1d41e3-cb64-473b-b4d5-674ba9f480fe 00:30:45.295 --> 00:30:49.370 limb weakness, and the variable NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 d56a7f5e-d1cc-4aff-9342-dd8e7ffa7054 00:30:49.370 --> 00:30:50.996 and the condition because it's not. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 1bde3a39-9484-4428-ae99-7a891fc8eda4 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.730 Organic as such you can't see NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 4b0a5e5b-938d-48f6-b603-a3c444990173 00:30:53.730 --> 00:30:56.210 it in an MRI scan. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 2fac47c1-4008-48f5-aef7-e038b6d670d4 00:30:56.210 --> 00:30:57.401 It's called functional, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 b2a8876c-5f7a-4375-8f0d-d75b124380ca 00:30:57.401 --> 00:30:58.989 which means something is NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 0ec807a2-e12b-45b8-bb8e-718ac72f0f4e 00:30:58.989 --> 00:31:00.610 misfiring in the brain, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 beb794b4-1f8f-46ed-8121-2e01aae4c5fc 00:31:00.610 --> 00:31:02.146 but nothing is degenerating. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 e8dbafb8-ab74-4bc1-9ec6-16a115f37c8a 00:31:02.146 --> 00:31:04.066 And what I'm really interested NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 89f7b24e-1327-4aa5-b717-75c4e3ff6a13 00:31:04.066 --> 00:31:06.242 in while I'm while I'm here NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 d8cd23ea-a212-406e-b70e-6b8faafb16ea 00:31:06.242 --> 00:31:07.972 and visiting all these experts, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 00221e70-a230-4da9-b942-d22eed7fe3bb 00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:10.230 is exploring the historicity of NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 e354125b-345b-444f-88a9-5f6e9a150808 00:31:10.230 --> 00:31:12.480 health ideologies around what or NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 7b1f33e5-7457-4f3d-b23d-bab180c96592 00:31:12.557 --> 00:31:14.877 who is deemed immediately worthy. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 4e93a60e-9d64-4b26-83d3-98c943735a91 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.163 Does this group of people have been NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 784b56e2-51e8-440a-9668-709708a7297a 00:31:18.163 --> 00:31:21.083 marginalised and othered and the medical NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 35ed3968-dd08-419d-b3bb-a28c47cfead4 00:31:21.083 --> 00:31:23.473 space and sometimes social space? NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 de5cbbbb-431b-47eb-8c1a-f0b9e7765745 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.925 For centuries and what I'm really interested NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 7419181c-8b09-4bcb-8d28-91185c808218 00:31:27.925 --> 00:31:31.369 in exploring is how this linguistic stigma. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 1f9cc286-ac4f-4682-b828-c194d38e4417 00:31:31.370 --> 00:31:33.470 Once I finally get some participants, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 ca3890ca-91b9-4296-a6e0-6f4b0eddbf49 00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:35.760 how their experiences of stigma NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 24838c2f-00bb-49ea-98f6-0888b3a90013 00:31:35.760 --> 00:31:38.050 connects to these ongoing social NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 84a65f9d-f592-4f5d-ae29-ac48557f5c0e 00:31:38.124 --> 00:31:40.304 processes of inclusion and exclusion NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 9b787564-3694-4006-b3ec-b60acb4ab560 00:31:40.304 --> 00:31:43.350 that are rooted in these ideologies. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 21db9d24-90e6-467b-9c12-c9c52ce4f2be 00:31:43.350 --> 00:31:44.670 So gender of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 0a9aa9d6-284c-4d8d-9587-c0012cbb4c48 00:31:44.670 --> 00:31:47.573 is going to be a big thing because NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 7299a671-a863-4bac-8a6f-e1c41550f9df 00:31:47.573 --> 00:31:48.830 of the idea. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 58b65162-53ad-4d87-a3ff-bfdd0af5a70e 00:31:48.830 --> 00:31:51.566 Well, hysteria and it was originally NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 bde7daaa-0eda-4649-b3a7-b1d1da59ece4 00:31:51.566 --> 00:31:54.624 thought that the womb was going crazy NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 1b745086-660b-4f93-911d-95b310929f69 00:31:54.624 --> 00:31:57.950 and the woman's body the womb was moving, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 5ba592ee-8d17-4984-a5c1-61b90d3c8db2 00:31:57.950 --> 00:32:00.770 moving around and causing these symptoms. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 125c46ab-b2eb-4829-902c-ff76ca9282b9 00:32:00.770 --> 00:32:03.422 However, then people discovered that men NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 c2c89182-fc14-4631-b453-679d896a1755 00:32:03.422 --> 00:32:05.790 also have functional neurological disorder, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 00a748d0-6de6-4f2c-a27a-5025cd08f224 00:32:05.790 --> 00:32:08.800 so that that theory was. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 773967eb-84e6-44dc-82a7-300103d4d832 00:32:08.800 --> 00:32:10.288 You know, not accepted, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 451e8c8d-5a7e-4d8e-9a53-c790fe455cf4 00:32:10.288 --> 00:32:12.148 but the ties to gender, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 268b8de3-cafa-421a-a8f7-78057186e49d 00:32:12.150 --> 00:32:13.554 the hysterical woman. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 bd934b27-1dd3-4b06-9558-c0267b87c000 00:32:13.554 --> 00:32:15.300 There's still the right. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 1416b9d8-a720-4e20-8ea5-e167a33ffb8a 00:32:15.300 --> 00:32:15.980 We can't. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 8cd1f92b-7d7b-4a30-b557-846aa64c3c48 00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:19.164 All of a sudden just cut off the gingering NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 d19d0d91-efc7-4a11-8e99-087829f2acfc 00:32:19.164 --> 00:32:21.174 that occurred during this period, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 e35bda6d-dd18-4c75-ade4-c524c4172813 00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:22.110 and I could talk on this NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 c95c53a1-eecd-4188-b4d9-e1b194a8c548 00:32:22.110 --> 00:32:22.950 for another half an hour. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 8862b941-6f1d-42d7-91fb-1cc00ebfd9ee 00:32:22.950 --> 00:32:26.340 So I'm just going to try and keep it short, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 0d0f178a-6a1b-4135-bbf4-424dfb7deb9e 00:32:26.340 --> 00:32:28.556 but gender is going to be really interesting. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 d83e424d-0366-4ff0-ae96-b3ca217382e4 00:32:28.560 --> 00:32:30.696 I think in my investigation I've NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 660f9136-3287-4fa1-a3a3-25bfa38d9599 00:32:30.696 --> 00:32:33.498 listed here a few things that common NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 664df90b-f756-4efe-b66c-d30df8a206a1 00:32:33.498 --> 00:32:36.102 things that people hear when they NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 2a2c0edb-373e-437b-9623-b189ad04fbb7 00:32:36.102 --> 00:32:38.538 interact with medical professionals, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 e2570d86-18f2-4582-85a0-523b917f5154 00:32:38.540 --> 00:32:39.444 and these are all. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 fa96c147-54ee-4183-9874-9316f882f829 00:32:39.444 --> 00:32:41.290 On my Facebook group or from articles. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 c8b78382-36e0-499f-a82b-827ca6a9ca97 00:32:41.290 --> 00:32:43.160 So the. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 4c5e1bff-5754-43b7-bc3c-3257cd9baca6 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:43.980 You know, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 e8257cc6-d0c8-4833-80a1-37e2aff7d0d3 00:32:43.980 --> 00:32:46.440 available for all so commonly people NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 5133824d-7a7a-4e18-91c6-e98f9b0aad5b 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:48.978 are told it's all in your head. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 9add5b87-15e1-4900-83d8-3f24da417e77 00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:49.398 OK, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 7cf0b146-3e01-4a2e-8828-1908e62bc565 00:32:49.398 --> 00:32:52.324 so the idea being don't think about NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 22866260-422d-46ff-844c-ba408e5ad5ae 00:32:52.324 --> 00:32:55.764 it and it will go away and people NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 5d8c8d0c-7550-4753-b840-d6c6581cdcfd 00:32:55.764 --> 00:32:58.349 are called crazy or at least. NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 69e93b81-2750-4275-a616-fbdd67ed54d1 00:32:58.350 --> 00:32:59.880 You know, perhaps not outright, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 28bb6ffc-4875-454c-b134-a793c0a40b9f 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:01.612 but two between colleagues, NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 92f1b277-3dc8-43c3-b6ca-94e983836e2d 00:33:01.612 --> 00:33:03.777 neurologists have told me that NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 55680dbd-330b-4ec9-8793-abe8f88b333f 00:33:03.777 --> 00:33:06.092 other neurologists have talked about NOTE Confidence: 0.895700216666667 877748ed-1a92-4685-9573-59e26c44bdc0 00:33:06.092 --> 00:33:08.810 patients with this disorder as being NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 3222adef-9776-4a10-a01a-aafb00d7efc5 00:33:08.884 --> 00:33:09.962 crazy. And again, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 49c150be-aaf9-4252-bb12-14c77caf557e 00:33:09.962 --> 00:33:12.650 this comes into the mind and body dualism, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 25f2e869-0a23-4e69-889d-66325406589e 00:33:12.650 --> 00:33:14.846 and all the separation that occurred NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 e8c5eeb8-220f-4fec-bf76-f2696ba2a9e1 00:33:14.846 --> 00:33:16.310 between psychiatry and neurology, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 1bee82eb-02f1-488f-ae06-25572e60893c 00:33:16.310 --> 00:33:20.950 which actually doesn't help anybody, OK? NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 9f83d947-be1d-4e3a-a1ed-d0ad7d0c98f5 00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:23.620 When something is attributed to the NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 0f01dcec-7f8c-4a34-930d-672a7256f0c9 00:33:23.620 --> 00:33:26.389 the realm of psychiatry or the mind, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 69cf6a5f-9d02-4afe-8e5c-87a3535f08e2 00:33:26.390 --> 00:33:30.555 it's almost a way to dismiss people. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 856110fd-db32-446c-9518-5ecf0362ef36 00:33:30.560 --> 00:33:33.353 So that that these are common things NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 46fa71a2-c241-49f3-8165-8e63b6f3d5f0 00:33:33.353 --> 00:33:36.336 that people here still today and you can NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 d1307b3e-096c-462f-9351-112737487e2a 00:33:36.336 --> 00:33:38.380 stop your seizure if you focus again. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 4b23b371-1ae0-488a-b3b1-0490c0062fb9 00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:40.319 Not helpful because that really doesn't work. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 8b533765-fc3e-4a4e-a63e-ee78f42ab9b3 00:33:40.320 --> 00:33:42.693 I should also add on the support NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 4dd0a409-9384-4514-9416-9115b5e376fd 00:33:42.693 --> 00:33:44.864 person for somebody with if indeed so NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 1f425e33-9306-4531-953a-3b4a43fb694d 00:33:44.864 --> 00:33:47.360 I have that lived experience as well. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 8f3b65a0-74a7-4e9f-bf94-a2f611880ce9 00:33:47.360 --> 00:33:49.880 We can see the gendered discourses NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 77688b2b-84f7-417c-a831-10e062db429a 00:33:49.950 --> 00:33:51.000 coming in here. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 4bae7034-4809-49d2-8dbb-0890b2e07e62 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.527 She's always been quite delicate and we NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 f27632ad-8ffa-4cab-89d0-bdba0d2330eb 00:33:53.527 --> 00:33:56.640 we have the when you look back at some NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 e3c1a956-5f16-42fa-9af8-258b13bc785b 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:58.680 of the information about the disorder, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 09ab0d2c-7fb3-4d55-b434-8765feb9544c 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.632 you know the idea of women as delicate NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 17dc3205-569f-433c-8bd9-bfed0c3064af 00:34:01.632 --> 00:34:05.137 as as deviant trickery is a big thing. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 750414bd-5e73-40a6-90aa-d995175941b8 00:34:05.140 --> 00:34:06.790 People are not believed often NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 176be079-0ba7-4e0f-81f9-d86ac140b346 00:34:06.790 --> 00:34:09.220 because they they are thought to be NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 608fa164-e701-460d-907a-fa763ad82749 00:34:09.220 --> 00:34:11.020 malingering or feigning their symptoms, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 15541778-750e-47ab-bc6f-80d4a24ceffd 00:34:11.020 --> 00:34:14.368 which is a discourse that obviously. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 300e3e71-3c61-41e0-b280-b82fa363c0fe 00:34:14.370 --> 00:34:16.446 Others and doesn't help anybody because NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 8b3e403f-bc43-40d8-95cc-8c96e358b8a3 00:34:16.446 --> 00:34:18.522 it's proven that the percentage of NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 0f34246c-16bc-4fb9-a812-c9fb56d31321 00:34:18.522 --> 00:34:20.741 people who actually do that is very NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 483a5774-1892-4093-88c5-daa2e0b8a6ef 00:34:20.741 --> 00:34:23.090 small and have you tried meditation, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 ffcd6b74-171c-40b6-b950-60bafa05f1fb 00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:26.258 which is something that just unfortunately NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 ff6b2b7c-06d5-404f-88fc-e5ace1af8bf5 00:34:26.258 --> 00:34:30.054 doesn't sit well with many people who NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 7220b90a-0775-4dff-b384-12154ca43a6e 00:34:30.054 --> 00:34:32.258 experience this chronic condition. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 e9e82e39-4a5b-4803-bb7f-9170890919da 00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:35.010 So here I think when I get to the point NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 b8ef14e4-93bc-4918-8315-1f89d6349aae 00:34:35.081 --> 00:34:37.547 where I'm working with real people, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 5b88cca1-2af1-4cda-b07b-8684d44e5d64 00:34:37.550 --> 00:34:39.706 I'm not sure how the deep hanging NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 032ea348-a3c6-4b7b-9a2f-243732ae4a90 00:34:39.706 --> 00:34:41.100 out is going to be. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 3f82208c-a3bc-49a8-ac03-8db6cafb6ae8 00:34:41.100 --> 00:34:43.038 It's going to be different obviously NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 0d4a039c-6446-421f-a8ac-12872885b97c 00:34:43.038 --> 00:34:44.810 because people are going through. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 d92cfe8b-a5c7-4d56-916e-95a96caceeda 00:34:44.810 --> 00:34:48.095 You know a lot of it may be online. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 06975591-c16e-41a4-a190-40558abfd022 00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:49.564 I'm not sure I'm going to NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 b63f86d1-6e1d-4d41-8e18-b9c0fa3dc923 00:34:49.564 --> 00:34:50.540 have to reconceptualize that, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 2f2aae10-94dd-4b3c-9ae7-e1152752a653 00:34:50.540 --> 00:34:53.252 but at least I've got this NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 9898c4fb-2692-40ba-9131-81d8079c217d 00:34:53.252 --> 00:34:55.060 philosophical kind of underpinning. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 6d566fce-7434-4bec-9465-cd4e4ae48f15 00:34:55.060 --> 00:34:57.350 Of the whole person, right? NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 29e57748-a45c-480c-8bf7-1d532a1c306c 00:34:57.350 --> 00:35:00.176 I'm not just interested in a in a brain. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 30241223-474b-4689-bbf6-d66d482e464a 00:35:00.180 --> 00:35:00.582 OK, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 300f191a-3313-4fa6-bbaa-ef0abc22f84a 00:35:00.582 --> 00:35:02.592 as some of the psychological NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 df0dfa75-092f-4807-a566-39b2b48da4d5 00:35:02.592 --> 00:35:04.700 literature appears to be right, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 a02db246-ca50-4e21-8608-2f3544378d91 00:35:04.700 --> 00:35:05.658 disembodied mind. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 053c6b65-a6ae-47f2-b34e-fe7dfb684562 00:35:05.658 --> 00:35:09.011 So acknowledging the whole person will be NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 7ffea200-e000-44cc-b71c-a2e55b49ce1c 00:35:09.011 --> 00:35:11.918 extremely important in this context as well. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 87885434-e3a3-4a7a-9a13-28638a2a03fa 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.430 Diving into the ideologies and NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 aa9b74a0-4876-40d3-8e55-94e9e321e32e 00:35:14.430 --> 00:35:16.940 looking at how they connect. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 7952004c-e67a-48e0-ab3f-fc300e1fa967 00:35:16.940 --> 00:35:18.468 The medical marginalization these NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 3dc638bc-eaa4-4084-881a-0171374c05b4 00:35:18.468 --> 00:35:20.378 people have experience not just NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 530c94f3-ebd7-48e4-b408-47a16bf2ba8f 00:35:20.378 --> 00:35:22.228 in New Zealand but you know. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 841dd956-660a-4891-a015-5586dfdb91ab 00:35:22.230 --> 00:35:24.878 And many different countries NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 9501cafc-2b27-4118-ad14-a7e776c93848 00:35:24.878 --> 00:35:26.864 is extremely harmful, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 7b395387-8092-43fa-b7bd-f32672389f1b 00:35:26.870 --> 00:35:30.398 and there's a very real need to NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 c5e1a111-e72d-4bcd-88a9-33476716679d 00:35:30.398 --> 00:35:32.557 normalize this disorder number NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 ffb9d1b1-c6ec-4b31-b913-6298240c7f37 00:35:32.557 --> 00:35:35.857 one and restore dignity to people NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 bd5ab04e-3198-4458-8f96-c2b9e59a39df 00:35:35.857 --> 00:35:38.519 who've been othered over time. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 c15502a1-f60d-4709-a8c6-183359385b63 00:35:38.520 --> 00:35:40.053 And I should also say there's a NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 ddc31068-d7bc-445a-bc20-84d7f5eeefc6 00:35:40.053 --> 00:35:41.399 lot of excellent work going on, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 ae80dd6e-a28a-4653-9105-1285578c570d 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.466 especially in the UK. It's amazing. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 f7b80b0e-d90e-46ea-9293-b5704423476f 00:35:44.470 --> 00:35:46.090 The neurologist I mentioned before, NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 465d5c9a-8df2-44c7-9049-2fb834770d87 00:35:46.090 --> 00:35:50.670 Professor Johnstone at Edinburgh University. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 eb8a2519-9ef2-479b-98a6-eb5bbcb54d92 00:35:50.670 --> 00:35:56.040 He is doing amazing work and he has a very. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 ab5560be-5de7-4750-8d0b-b384c20f59b2 00:35:56.040 --> 00:36:00.120 Humanistic approach to working with patients. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 e6589552-633a-499b-abda-8307ab8eee42 00:36:00.120 --> 00:36:03.450 So that's my new research project NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 dd563aea-9237-4651-8e93-707edd20862f 00:36:03.450 --> 00:36:05.670 and that's me finished. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 a2d72e00-cf69-4b7c-b5ab-5cb23accc47b 00:36:05.670 --> 00:36:10.480 Thank you for listening. Thank you. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 c96cdbe7-5828-4240-82ff-09aa0f3191d7 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.352 Thank you so I know there was a NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 4ad8fe6f-b910-46c5-95bf-d7c063300c75 00:36:12.352 --> 00:36:13.380 lot at the end. NOTE Confidence: 0.876871876190476 1063a6b9-c8c1-4256-bfc7-039c647193a4 00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:14.868 I just threw that at you. NOTE Confidence: 0.9046504 f079353e-05bb-4a13-a0cd-fbedadb73908 00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:32.578 OK, yeah, thank you very much everyone. NOTE Confidence: 0.9046504 ffb4b7d3-42c4-461a-9fb5-a315449d8e9e 00:36:32.580 --> 00:36:35.130 I will end the recording and NOTE Confidence: 0.9046504 9a5d7ca6-e682-4a0a-9bcd-75e21cb13a11 00:36:35.130 --> 00:36:38.000 we can have our discussion.