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NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 8f35f1cc-890a-414c-811e-1c913a1f9265 00:00:28.570 --> 00:00:31.510 OK, so first of all, thank you very much. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 03bf4028-474c-4731-9b3b-dbc6af879901 00:00:31.510 --> 00:00:33.486 Thank you Joe, for that kind introduction. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 f16581ad-62f0-424f-a42b-dd866698ea3a 00:00:33.486 --> 00:00:35.031 Thank you Elena for organizing NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 f36594e6-30f3-4938-be1f-7e1b52c5d23a 00:00:35.031 --> 00:00:36.769 this together with all your team. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 aae06146-f01b-4dac-b539-10769d534280 00:00:36.770 --> 00:00:38.898 Thank you everybody for being here and NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 4c3c1150-aa4a-4297-878c-6f13cb81eb26 00:00:38.898 --> 00:00:41.427 for the chance to share thoughts with you. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 6ff3a77d-3391-4d2c-8d42-38a747f19be6 00:00:41.430 --> 00:00:42.738 As to current research. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 0f14eb47-5d80-451d-b64a-c4f58fc6bd45 00:00:42.738 --> 00:00:45.401 Yesterday we had a big presentation on a NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 88d38c82-2ceb-4bbd-ae36-17ebf327613c 00:00:45.401 --> 00:00:47.648 Brazilian project that I'm doing in critical NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 79bc150a-5dd8-4ee3-a335-24e6fe7f662a 00:00:47.648 --> 00:00:49.529 thinking and vulnerable communities, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 d5130836-f86f-4237-8883-f8631aa79b8d 00:00:49.530 --> 00:00:50.790 so I would like to spend NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 a62e62df-09a5-40bc-866e-b6f74855b49c 00:00:50.790 --> 00:00:52.130 some time on that later on. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 07ff13cc-09db-4641-9c1e-da258fafe2af 00:00:52.130 --> 00:00:54.490 But we focus on medical NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 6f102a32-9ca3-4de2-8714-e14be441faad 00:00:54.490 --> 00:00:56.378 interpreting and translation today. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 8e8c8edc-31c2-4499-bd19-7b618bc5d4e3 00:00:56.380 --> 00:00:58.876 And so I wanted to start by framing NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 72ddfd19-5d82-495c-858e-a2a4648ac487 00:00:58.876 --> 00:01:01.374 some of the issues looking across NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 84f5d452-5376-4ce1-a2bd-44f7db1696da 00:01:01.374 --> 00:01:03.624 fields of inquiry and methodology NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 2f4acd30-0eaf-4ab4-98d6-55d0118f42b5 00:01:03.624 --> 00:01:06.143 on how we contextualize the NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 8dcbb17c-b7c5-483e-964c-a337ea99bc8f 00:01:06.143 --> 00:01:08.139 results of empirical research, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 5f4d1180-dc77-4b4d-93dd-37e8571d66a7 00:01:08.140 --> 00:01:10.060 and bring in them from research NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 640c70fc-9696-44ff-92e9-5512fafb6855 00:01:10.060 --> 00:01:12.695 to practice to the communities of NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 098e5440-153b-4fc8-bdfd-871ce884ace4 00:01:12.695 --> 00:01:14.498 healthcare practitioners, providers, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 cc88e73d-475a-4ebb-abc8-1bf86a7e7f74 00:01:14.498 --> 00:01:16.570 to communities of interpreters, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 ab30a31c-2e54-4675-b4d2-bf840b921167 00:01:16.570 --> 00:01:18.522 or translators to communities NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 18f9e9ee-e3b8-4bfd-80db-cdcd17738d6d 00:01:18.522 --> 00:01:20.474 of clients and patients. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 84c8c39d-a29a-4b0a-8651-e2f2d74839de 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:21.704 So findings and data. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 b4cb4b55-8786-468f-84ae-fa985c4436e6 00:01:21.704 --> 00:01:23.234 And if I have time, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 161e8d02-f8ae-40ef-9c1c-cc903fe5d6a4 00:01:23.240 --> 00:01:25.214 I will present some examples just to NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 746833d4-3574-4816-b019-41ecf69704ea 00:01:25.214 --> 00:01:27.090 illustrate some of the arguments that. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 3b535a3f-ceca-45fc-aa27-64f679229248 00:01:27.090 --> 00:01:30.314 Make it so the fields are being curious. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 0545fd9e-e7d2-43f0-91cb-22ac4ff9c02c 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.696 I'm sorry whether it is a provider, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 6c951cb1-082a-4082-b2f3-7ec851da884d 00:02:54.700 --> 00:02:55.179 patient, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 16bff56a-5fa2-4d46-afd8-b139c67fc79d 00:02:55.179 --> 00:02:55.658 client, NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 12d8872a-28db-4e41-a8f6-dd20675baeca 00:02:55.658 --> 00:02:58.053 exchange in an emergency situation NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 1093ea1f-9d67-49d3-9ea2-a37cd426a970 00:02:58.053 --> 00:03:01.130 or consenting to be recorded for any NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 3d4fe431-0349-41b3-b54f-cf388ee4b6d1 00:03:01.130 --> 00:03:03.750 purposes is complex and the complexity. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 b0ffa7d9-7269-4e57-a684-8c2887ac13d8 00:03:28.850 --> 00:03:30.950 So when linguistic minorities when NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 d35c12ff-57f0-42de-887f-4b6513586109 00:03:30.950 --> 00:03:34.480 speakers or users of non societal languages. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 686a2ae3-53c1-41c5-a5d7-01dac14d13ea 00:03:34.480 --> 00:03:36.780 Have to access healthcare services. NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 98d17ef1-49bb-4350-b573-c7fd036aa481 00:03:36.780 --> 00:03:39.072 They communicate with speakers of society NOTE Confidence: 0.601157054 16de50b5-947b-4270-af34-bb2eb41c3c8c 00:03:39.072 --> 00:03:41.380 language via translators or interpreters. NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 e7738fb1-b75a-40d3-bb85-7537c42aa7c9 00:03:41.380 --> 00:03:43.494 And that's what brings us here today. NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 aa85164b-7c78-46cc-a3f4-74cd46cb348a 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:46.116 So when we look at empirical NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 bfca91a8-2242-4be6-bc3e-f7b3fbf59d86 00:03:46.116 --> 00:03:47.860 data from different studies. NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 e7b306c2-3e8c-4bf9-93a3-3e50231a3291 00:03:47.860 --> 00:03:50.667 We bear in mind the geographic locations NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 e0faf11a-1a56-4473-a164-3fa22f597bdd 00:03:50.667 --> 00:03:53.082 of those studies that the culture NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 0aaf26f6-3983-4020-97de-52ba4ba579a6 00:03:53.082 --> 00:03:55.362 that is central to the interaction NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 c79bf75e-a15d-4380-935f-1a416f8a8170 00:03:55.362 --> 00:03:57.882 of doctors and patients and the NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 9ea458c6-56ca-44a9-a4a0-cd66a5078f78 00:03:57.882 --> 00:03:59.537 research questions that were asked, NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 d6926413-1ca8-43f5-8acb-c8a324d28f62 00:03:59.540 --> 00:04:01.250 and the methods that are NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 0747a977-c659-4998-9247-0df663e0acc9 00:04:01.250 --> 00:04:02.960 applied to obtaining that data. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 ed9804cc-4ad9-413c-ab9d-e9c591a4d50e 00:05:38.780 --> 00:05:40.088 Through empirical research, NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 b6fe68d9-1a88-4f73-b427-257fc7989845 00:05:40.088 --> 00:05:42.704 we also looked at how the NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 b67c79d9-4be9-442e-9711-196c9de8439f 00:05:42.704 --> 00:05:44.822 interpreter is interacting with NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 2b442f33-2ada-4fa5-934f-6481a86e3293 00:05:44.822 --> 00:05:46.970 interlocutors within an institution, NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 c9714bbf-d3fa-4bb4-9e6f-a4e50840d6e2 00:05:46.970 --> 00:05:50.288 and the institution frames and constraints. NOTE Confidence: 0.888520597142857 8135c851-fee4-4830-b92e-6100a5ad9239 00:05:50.290 --> 00:05:51.930 What the interpreter can do. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 03087dcf-1b29-4477-af86-ccddbdd5ac3a 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.150 So there were several variables studied NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 3434f570-7c61-4da5-a710-bb73a5128195 00:07:11.150 --> 00:07:14.089 in order to define this notion of NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 5679a825-ae74-4f52-b984-029b197d538d 00:07:14.089 --> 00:07:16.805 visibility or agency at the same time, NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 43ae422a-3405-44be-b6e7-285e4ca60ed0 00:07:16.810 --> 00:07:18.802 a qualitative study and NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 c9051fae-e43d-424e-a051-1ee268ff06d9 00:07:18.802 --> 00:07:19.798 ethnographic approach. NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 8973cc32-a593-44e0-a845-2ce29108c505 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:21.558 Medical interpreting spending NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 c35dcb0c-4569-4709-97de-7cb84ba0db42 00:07:21.558 --> 00:07:24.488 22 months in one hospital. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 d2cb7de1-5a02-4e1f-928b-4a4b85e36d1d 00:09:26.970 --> 00:09:28.848 And for this I thought I NOTE Confidence: 0.911412521 426e43dd-4440-407f-862d-4040f4bae615 00:09:28.848 --> 00:09:30.100 would bring painful data. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.8901332025 c67d0422-31cc-423d-91a2-4f73c5d5e005 00:10:34.060 --> 00:10:37.336 So I'm giving some references here on NOTE Confidence: 0.8901332025 06e4fd30-f493-4025-bd66-eb713295bfa9 00:10:37.336 --> 00:10:40.408 different things that I have done on pain, NOTE Confidence: 0.8901332025 304a89cd-1455-48f2-963d-f36fcd4f5d0f 00:10:40.410 --> 00:10:42.979 but we focus now very very briefly NOTE Confidence: 0.8901332025 28e4c21d-4162-4033-b886-d037ad06de28 00:10:42.979 --> 00:10:45.150 on looking at a transcript. NOTE Confidence: 0.8901332025 865a4c0a-ee34-400b-b0ab-caf8ba05e7fa 00:10:45.150 --> 00:10:46.564 I'm not going to read it all, NOTE Confidence: 0.8901332025 687c618e-ce32-4968-b6d6-21cdc0c5722f 00:10:46.570 --> 00:10:49.130 but I just shade it in Gray here. NOTE Confidence: 0.8901332025 702a24bb-db38-470f-a394-0aa02a2b40d6 00:10:49.130 --> 00:10:52.450 Here is a nurse. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 f5b4da18-0812-42e5-af95-2e9f8cd8e549 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:23.495 Elena everything so thank you NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 71604693-5f62-4877-a657-5fcf0212d5f3 00:14:23.495 --> 00:14:25.760 so much for having me today. NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 c21e0400-29d2-46f4-8d14-b06a48bac363 00:14:25.760 --> 00:14:28.256 It was lovely also to see NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 0795dc2d-ecbc-4031-885c-eced3a04f10c 00:14:28.260 --> 00:14:31.320 Claudia's presentation, of course. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 88119674-cdcf-4116-bf2e-7aac8158aa2f 00:15:12.970 --> 00:15:15.466 And this also must be said, NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 b676bca8-796e-441f-8dc7-a5c7bf4ccf1f 00:15:15.470 --> 00:15:16.060 of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 382efebb-535b-4d08-9411-140d1d7cbbb3 00:15:16.060 --> 00:15:18.420 for those of you who are not from NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 71e71c15-0a14-4ce5-938f-d8baf24426e6 00:15:18.492 --> 00:15:20.908 medical interpreting or translation. NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 59ecd66a-3272-48ad-b692-4144e2c7e784 00:15:20.910 --> 00:15:23.665 The studies conducted in Melodical NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 12824078-db0b-4e7e-95bd-28c764e88329 00:15:23.665 --> 00:15:27.290 interpreting are in fact more numerous, NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 27b13dfe-60d6-4a58-bdbd-c9d9d1afb0a4 00:15:27.290 --> 00:15:30.308 more advanced than in medical writing. NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 84302125-79e3-4ca1-926d-f715f1cf6ae1 00:15:30.310 --> 00:15:32.566 I mean, translation of medical writing. NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 1e1ee7d1-1df1-41aa-87e4-f73e20c21b46 00:15:32.570 --> 00:15:33.248 So I think, NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 2b6df5bb-6100-4d43-a7de-76f71a8d124b 00:15:33.248 --> 00:15:35.681 and we have a lot to learn from the NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 29c73f62-62c1-44ef-a1d6-50a5d8201268 00:15:35.681 --> 00:15:37.646 studies that have been conducted NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 2194e25f-5d19-43f1-ac07-a0b660eb89e6 00:15:37.646 --> 00:15:39.376 in medical interpreting. So. NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 e2e8a153-aac2-4052-b37c-4e3faa043257 00:15:39.376 --> 00:15:42.652 But first why am I interested NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 8f9e8626-24e3-4d22-b278-7d0b87287032 00:15:42.652 --> 00:15:43.744 in expectations? NOTE Confidence: 0.731286884 5b4fdeda-9e11-4a59-a9d6-f809275f7515 00:15:43.750 --> 00:15:46.366 And in these slides I've packed. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 e258904e-5488-4e16-b237-1b37b75c4896 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.136 I would also argue that what NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 bd9ae22a-0cc8-41b5-a031-adf334a2d0dc 00:16:18.136 --> 00:16:20.180 the translator and I added here, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 2081bb27-b19f-4bb2-a614-83a6279e64ae 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:23.744 interpreter and Claudia and Marta and NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 abf39090-a6be-4e6f-9652-e893f26fbcaf 00:16:23.744 --> 00:16:27.011 others might tell me afterwards if they, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 408138ee-bd22-490a-a6ca-a81b2ed24557 00:16:27.011 --> 00:16:28.496 if they think this also NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 f30aa89e-3303-4888-b6dc-cb03eeea284d 00:16:28.496 --> 00:16:29.860 applies to interpreting. NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 837d6250-17cf-415e-882e-c88acd037497 00:16:29.860 --> 00:16:33.244 So I would argue that what the translator NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 5582e06a-2dca-463b-af14-83a8aadc21ee 00:16:33.244 --> 00:16:36.648 should do in a given situation when he's NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 4c8e7a0c-6756-49a3-8f77-87192664302a 00:16:36.648 --> 00:16:39.072 translating a specific task is based NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 156338d6-644f-4083-bd14-30ab6d4f5030 00:16:39.072 --> 00:16:42.165 on the shared beliefs and expectations NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 d7b14e64-d35f-48f2-ba21-f9e0264d78e2 00:16:42.165 --> 00:16:45.041 within a particular group, this. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 b857ac40-7eec-4943-bc42-dbcd2ebdf0b5 00:17:24.500 --> 00:17:28.224 Uhm, when looking at the research conducted NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 a7aba3f7-e32c-4a99-8b3a-03b26aaca433 00:17:28.224 --> 00:17:31.880 in on expectations within social sciences, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 91ed2df2-095e-4052-b795-f00deb39298a 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:33.728 so not within translation NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 28911127-bdbd-4d5e-b308-1a40c3abe3da 00:17:33.728 --> 00:17:36.038 studies but on social sciences. NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 18cee709-002b-4863-8506-39fe511c4e9b 00:17:36.040 --> 00:17:38.738 And there are a lot of research NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 78a3eb8a-627f-4bba-b20c-d4b1d22cc97d 00:17:38.738 --> 00:17:41.083 done on expectations in social NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 9c9db45a-9902-40a8-917b-7c44179dca66 00:17:41.083 --> 00:17:43.060 sciences from different angles, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 7a026a50-7769-43cf-b88b-13768ab7f922 00:17:43.060 --> 00:17:46.685 we see there's a consensus that there are NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 cc5bf64d-678c-44e6-8d0c-9d27a9eec61c 00:17:46.685 --> 00:17:48.585 important distinctions between beliefs NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 8b793f1a-cfd3-41ab-9e2b-53af1111fb4a 00:17:48.585 --> 00:17:51.219 and the different types of beliefs, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 58544ae7-31b4-47b7-8a09-714d289b9f8e 00:17:51.220 --> 00:17:52.834 attitudes and expectations, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 f7d14f77-7d6d-44c3-83b3-99df7942d030 00:17:52.834 --> 00:17:54.986 and also within expectations. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 7c0fc8c9-2044-41ce-8e5e-34e73cdfd76b 00:18:40.330 --> 00:18:42.618 She proposes that distinction NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 da9abfbd-bd4b-4c00-8e0b-d1d80c0c8f8a 00:18:42.618 --> 00:18:44.906 that when studying expectations, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 644b350e-b018-4009-92b2-f22732ee4e6e 00:18:44.910 --> 00:18:47.345 we might want to distinguish NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 8384fd23-2e95-4241-871a-2d03879c9ac4 00:18:47.345 --> 00:18:48.806 between self beliefs, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 357e9a7c-8382-4c2f-9b07-5ba327dfb032 00:18:48.810 --> 00:18:50.850 the beliefs about ourselves, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 dec8c2c6-c7f7-4d1e-8c32-3aa76b495aa3 00:18:50.850 --> 00:18:52.890 and beliefs about others, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 b7c09088-31c0-4747-bdac-bb86232c680c 00:18:52.890 --> 00:18:56.026 and we didn't deem beliefs about others. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 d63a46d6-bd28-4889-b640-94a1a7660bfe 00:19:10.420 --> 00:19:12.212 How do they translate, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 ae90ee22-186e-41e8-bdba-50f1077d5b7b 00:19:12.212 --> 00:19:15.689 and how do they think they should NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 792abee9-1519-47d9-a329-b4c9cac8d03f 00:19:15.689 --> 00:19:18.469 translate and this distinction? NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 f9f0d23e-405d-419d-b3cc-ad618bfd41e3 00:19:18.470 --> 00:19:21.966 Between what one does and what one thinks NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 262c654d-ee48-4156-8084-94afa0b46bfa 00:19:21.966 --> 00:19:24.908 they should do is already different. NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 bfbc714e-655a-4148-8f8c-f15e919cacff 00:19:24.910 --> 00:19:26.866 This is already in a distinction, NOTE Confidence: 0.868436553333333 2697480f-d50f-40f8-bd26-0afef533da76 00:19:26.870 --> 00:19:27.297 and. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 10866f30-7ec0-4b46-bd97-b2eaacba5ccb 00:21:34.860 --> 00:21:36.120 And I would also argue I'm NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 e344dc51-0307-4d02-9f56-5f9ce4041adc 00:21:36.120 --> 00:21:37.639 here in the world of arguments. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 cc99cc0a-832c-4373-abb5-f7546af5d15b 00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:54.585 So and now, NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 42d2307f-7f81-455c-be71-36573799828f 00:22:54.585 --> 00:22:56.650 I'm suggesting that we might want to NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 dad13fd2-533a-46b0-933e-c7c3d30828a5 00:22:56.715 --> 00:22:59.298 take this approach also in in translation. NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 8bcc38e5-c6ee-488b-8946-420e3fab75aa 00:22:59.300 --> 00:23:01.895 So looking at empirical expectations NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 6dff293c-aa2b-49e5-8a4b-dfbd2a930bc8 00:23:01.895 --> 00:23:03.971 and normative expectations and NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 d9459a13-788e-4df8-a280-59517b23da06 00:23:03.971 --> 00:23:06.281 how these influence translations, NOTE Confidence: 0.83259275 0c499d89-103f-420c-b947-60d71a60f1df 00:23:06.281 --> 00:23:10.058 for instance decision making processes. UM? 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 010f9faa-a01a-4f82-b4c3-8d40cd2913d4 00:25:45.820 --> 00:25:47.773 Translator should translate NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 cb4404f6-b411-470b-93e9-40292aac8ce4 00:25:47.773 --> 00:25:49.726 your text faithfully, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 d72fd4bb-cd1b-4eaf-a84d-1033684e3b6e 00:25:49.730 --> 00:25:50.786 uh, while following, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 6f1f60fa-1583-44fa-b5bf-b39d68823e72 00:25:50.786 --> 00:25:51.490 of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 9f64b3a9-7dbb-4f41-b750-26b2f453738d 00:25:51.490 --> 00:25:52.406 the grammatical, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 a51a84fb-7672-4e41-bb3f-69af77f44bde 00:25:52.406 --> 00:25:54.238 syntactical and synthetic stylistic NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 8ebbfbd6-173d-45ac-909d-16976d6e0877 00:25:54.238 --> 00:25:56.710 rules of the target language, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 431dbb07-5b66-4056-b198-a7d2417230cf 00:25:56.710 --> 00:25:59.468 so this appears to be since there's NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 451d5647-459e-44e7-93a6-e3518b4c5537 00:25:59.468 --> 00:26:01.735 here a mismatch between their NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 e69bedef-ab17-4096-8150-21c85c5eeea3 00:26:01.735 --> 00:26:03.130 preferred translation options NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 3198cda4-edad-44ae-ba27-1c44f6a8c07b 00:26:03.130 --> 00:26:04.990 and then their expectations. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 672d3d83-ab4e-4ac2-bf66-7f8d3bbac383 00:26:04.990 --> 00:26:07.070 What this might might suggest, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 af47594f-08e0-4d80-bbca-d846a387346c 00:26:07.070 --> 00:26:08.790 there might suggest again NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 7c37dcd6-7c09-46b9-b982-b091dda56328 00:26:08.790 --> 00:26:10.080 that there's there's. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 06e18965-2f65-40b1-8620-e1a542365ead 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:12.330 There's a mismatch and also, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 d75c175d-799c-4b5f-9ea2-cc99991fde43 00:26:12.330 --> 00:26:14.730 and this is what I'm interested NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 028877a3-1ceb-4300-88e2-c1663652f8bb 00:26:14.730 --> 00:26:16.860 in here now is that. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 571154e5-1f00-45dc-a758-bb91bac646a5 00:26:16.860 --> 00:26:17.934 In future research, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 9cf2971e-3660-4a64-b18a-4d910e1b6ad2 00:26:17.934 --> 00:26:20.440 I would argue that it's not sufficient. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 d904602e-8f9a-40eb-b040-7f4bd3b29207 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:23.064 It's not enough that we ask readers what NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 529a1c96-9185-4044-8870-d533ae45c08a 00:26:23.064 --> 00:26:25.959 they want from translator from translation, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 9d3925c4-6315-4afb-b893-073160bc1892 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.402 but that we compare their behavior NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 23b7b7a4-c62a-4867-a2c6-5213b6840ca3 00:26:28.402 --> 00:26:30.030 with the expectations because NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 3f93d36d-0ae2-4b25-8c9b-a8aa2f6f7129 00:26:30.103 --> 00:26:31.758 what people say they want, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 7012aaea-a0fa-4f7f-9a3c-5dd612e52d1e 00:26:31.760 --> 00:26:32.918 what people are, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 9ccddc52-dede-46fb-9cbf-a9f59342eef8 00:26:32.918 --> 00:26:34.462 it's different from what NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 4170bf7a-6875-4420-b70a-796a6289431d 00:26:34.462 --> 00:26:36.080 people actually do right? NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 a40f45a0-c8bc-49e9-bca6-aa4224531dfc 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:39.090 And there's also a problem here, I think. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 e2ac24a4-91b1-4b6b-8061-0b72c7c3109b 00:26:39.090 --> 00:26:42.265 Also in perhaps in terminology. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 a9e6d60d-7f94-4bfd-a12c-57d91a003a3a 00:26:42.270 --> 00:26:45.910 And in translation norms. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 3e901576-1384-4c5e-83fd-b4843cc7444c 00:26:45.910 --> 00:26:49.135 How professionals might be replicating NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 c38c5cdb-58c4-4935-affe-e907a206181a 00:26:49.135 --> 00:26:53.109 the common translation norm in a given NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 b898d5d1-8bf6-4e6f-ab6b-cb066e8552e0 00:26:53.110 --> 00:26:56.066 in a given geographical location, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 82781a8a-6c3e-4681-8693-5be5f86f5557 00:26:56.066 --> 00:26:58.106 and in this case Portugal, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 e1ae479a-f0c4-4b5f-82a0-1c1a932f7164 00:26:58.110 --> 00:27:00.336 and it is let's all translate NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 b07d3e69-0832-42e9-9043-cea6767fb954 00:27:00.336 --> 00:27:02.775 literally when they in fact they NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 5ba95828-45b2-4dfc-a725-8670c192f49c 00:27:02.775 --> 00:27:04.970 don't want a literal translation. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 dc767a7f-2935-4651-b349-33c5d99d4148 00:27:04.970 --> 00:27:08.012 They want an adapted target oriented NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 ff70b21e-58a0-4ee4-a0d9-10ff7d62b50c 00:27:08.012 --> 00:27:11.059 translation that responds to their needs. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 a7cb0989-af0d-4c55-8cda-17b3a7a632fe 00:27:11.060 --> 00:27:14.736 So this is just a a small take NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 5e1f1bd0-b995-46e8-8776-5d421ad5f496 00:27:14.736 --> 00:27:16.696 on on on 2 perspectives. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 27f25308-f149-4698-8336-e947c867a6c7 00:27:16.700 --> 00:27:19.020 One perspective on how, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 7629f41a-f131-4a4f-a64a-34f707f46e55 00:27:19.020 --> 00:27:20.760 as I suggest, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 abc9ebe5-5170-4227-a804-78d087aa1cf4 00:27:20.760 --> 00:27:23.076 that we might want to differentiate NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 91aa51cd-379a-49ed-9281-d191d57c5162 00:27:23.076 --> 00:27:25.237 between different types of expectations NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 1977efad-2d78-4179-8dda-c6289a0e37b5 00:27:25.237 --> 00:27:27.453 when study expectations and NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 bad5c903-5b7c-48e0-a033-82edd180c8f6 00:27:27.453 --> 00:27:29.115 addressing specifically expectations NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 f9d5831d-140c-4d2d-8db3-c1e868f4fe32 00:27:29.115 --> 00:27:31.160 in research and on and on. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 98b36fb6-d561-4e65-a6e3-517f08698615 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:32.676 On the other side, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 91f3a551-d6e1-4684-a316-7af5807f3067 00:27:32.676 --> 00:27:34.950 I'd also suggest that when we NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 8c9cb65c-1563-4796-8639-5107127da900 00:27:35.038 --> 00:27:36.700 look at expectations, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 f2647d2e-0875-49f9-970a-bce86d692409 00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:38.788 we also compare expectations. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 8ce69bde-fb1b-43e8-ba51-a513c5349fca 00:27:38.788 --> 00:27:40.876 We actual behavior because. NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 f5578a80-a389-4069-bfdc-0ee4673fd8ce 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.408 That's richer in terms of might give NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 b0420ba3-ed0a-4643-b8aa-ef1cd8564de9 00:27:44.408 --> 00:27:46.979 us richer interpretations of the data, NOTE Confidence: 0.7898919425 33c841ac-c74d-4b72-bbac-4a9ae037574e 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:48.020 and thank you so much. NOTE Confidence: 0.832977788 f91fb255-0f94-4eba-a8bc-f975f1a944d1 00:27:48.020 --> 00:27:49.690 I think that's my time. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 d2f8d5be-0280-45dd-9fcc-7a5f5990e375 00:27:57.180 --> 00:28:01.520 Thank you very much, Susanna. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 d68e3f96-afc8-47d4-bc01-f516df5e1a81 00:28:01.520 --> 00:28:03.024 Great thank you Susanna. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 334350d7-2a7c-4cad-81b7-9e936b636cd7 00:28:03.024 --> 00:28:05.029 Yes, it's a really great to, uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 b280d665-ef3c-4dd5-b187-47779b59a1ec 00:28:05.029 --> 00:28:07.483 unpack already some of the complexities NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 31b22aca-0173-41bf-8189-ba984492467c 00:28:07.483 --> 00:28:10.104 and also to see opportunities to NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 c7332ce5-45c0-4d15-bf8f-8ba9a935b0a9 00:28:10.104 --> 00:28:12.299 bring different areas and tools NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 5a418f29-33b3-488d-a310-8397190d6560 00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:14.740 in the discipline together. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 46f67968-af6a-48a1-92e7-a73a117127c2 00:28:14.740 --> 00:28:17.188 So let's pass on to Marta so we NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 8ccda4ad-1242-4d81-ae0d-d81363e8fe4d 00:28:17.188 --> 00:28:19.877 can have time for discussion after. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 299a0726-7c75-4d11-8c8f-c8854f41f958 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.497 Thank you, can you see the slides? NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 24f10750-33b3-463f-adbd-d5d19672882e 00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:22.769 Cause everything changed NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 12d374e0-baf3-4474-9482-bb9049561640 00:28:22.769 --> 00:28:24.038 here and disappeared, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 c9e5688a-cfc9-40c9-99b1-0001d50653cc 00:28:24.040 --> 00:28:27.120 but as long as you can see them I'm good. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 dc98714e-fed5-4343-aca0-2673f1184191 00:28:27.120 --> 00:28:31.243 OK yes, OK, so thank you also NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 15e29a14-2df8-4166-a61d-5e24c87138a6 00:28:31.243 --> 00:28:34.040 everybody for inviting me here. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 f51d6293-47c2-4188-b614-894c09ce8fde 00:28:34.040 --> 00:28:35.792 I'm I'm very happy to be NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 cbc6074a-1722-4227-ad0d-bf0680601d1c 00:28:35.792 --> 00:28:37.580 here in this great company. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 a674e2f9-ef67-4a0a-a34d-bd463224f584 00:28:37.580 --> 00:28:39.176 As Joe said in the beginning, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 2cac1a5d-5e7d-4699-926b-748660c6cc87 00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:42.498 I'm a social linguist and my interpreting NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 8a3db445-1513-4b9a-9e64-2519569c45fa 00:28:42.498 --> 00:28:45.793 well at my research experience with an NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 7250be5c-1766-4a3b-bf09-6a8be1dd363b 00:28:45.793 --> 00:28:47.899 interpreter is only three years old. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 875302d3-a1a3-40ab-a07f-8d25751ea133 00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:49.524 But I've been doing. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 733a72b7-8be9-4b8c-a953-ed5eea098495 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.896 I wanna show you a little bit about NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 4caec705-625e-4c28-a309-eaf223d7e745 00:29:04.896 --> 00:29:08.488 from and and show you some examples so. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 42a583c0-6af3-4e19-a2b2-2a2fb0dd4724 00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:13.110 Just briefly about this project. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 a1b458e3-8f7d-4f27-8a25-8d104e2e4ac8 00:29:13.110 --> 00:29:16.309 Let me see how I change here. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 32412b4a-9172-4d31-b39b-6bea72a35627 00:29:16.310 --> 00:29:18.711 OK so it's it's a social linguistic NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 a10eb889-5660-435b-82be-b7c211fd124d 00:29:18.711 --> 00:29:20.789 project that started three years ago. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 e2a12e19-1d1c-4337-b299-db4d39b1e880 00:29:20.790 --> 00:29:23.989 So we're we're finalizing now the results. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 88930856-a66f-4b1b-aa44-5675f5f81e95 00:29:23.990 --> 00:29:25.822 But we have a lot of data and NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 d0102b2e-78a2-40e6-807b-6c619acddf29 00:29:25.822 --> 00:29:27.647 we will gonna work with this. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 3ddae6d9-0b37-4280-b030-2e295d3e3d89 00:29:27.650 --> 00:29:30.530 Maybe in the next many years. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 a38d007e-5140-4e94-a0db-f84f3f7a51b3 00:29:30.530 --> 00:29:32.516 The title of the project was NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 13820e2b-2a23-4ba3-9570-cac946eb63b7 00:29:32.516 --> 00:29:33.840 social linguistic perspectives on NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 7efccbcd-8f67-4968-bc0a-8e07ac25efa7 00:29:33.903 --> 00:29:35.495 challenges and interpreting encounters NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 fc7c8b78-bc46-4d8c-b6d5-38c27e74d204 00:29:35.495 --> 00:29:37.485 in the Danish public sector. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 50286d10-ba7b-4837-a925-b537f0efc353 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.119 The project was set up to study, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 8bdf7d4f-1a42-46e4-a903-83b80b93ee89 00:29:53.120 --> 00:29:55.660 uh, three different strands, uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 7ef5f8f5-f703-464b-8871-f7de01ed0afb 00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:57.653 in in the three settings, so, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 4c38d842-faa4-4d06-83c1-eed220fdc3e6 00:29:57.653 --> 00:29:58.306 uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 a5134807-2be1-4d50-8347-d1afd2a3eff4 00:29:58.306 --> 00:30:00.918 the participants experiences with NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 44dc11aa-ea34-4d81-979f-2e957fdeda8e 00:30:00.918 --> 00:30:02.877 interpreter and cancers. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 ec2839fe-cf2f-4b00-b12b-b043ad7a8334 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.360 Which we wanted to do from interview data. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 25bc6a6a-6fec-43c8-8896-129fc8fa294c 00:30:33.120 --> 00:30:36.270 So what we, uh, what we got, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 f09c23ac-3ee4-4bd9-b9bf-1ec0a771d405 00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:37.282 UM is yeah OK, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 47928431-25b5-4175-a0d2-ddb12f49e356 00:30:37.282 --> 00:30:39.425 so I can tell you that the data NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 0e3403a7-9d26-4e92-8e34-1dc83eb44e1c 00:30:39.425 --> 00:30:41.617 is we have a lot of mixtures of NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 9d15f842-5756-4486-b7b8-a355cc185272 00:30:41.689 --> 00:30:44.124 observations and interviews and and NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 6b85e592-b8bc-489a-8b54-9458e5463011 00:30:44.124 --> 00:30:46.559 media and guidelines and documents. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 60661466-2f7e-4a64-80b8-22b1f701a0c4 00:30:46.560 --> 00:30:49.661 And of course festival are these gems NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 6489a8cb-025f-44f5-8ca6-f8be9805b5b9 00:30:49.661 --> 00:30:52.078 the the interpreted encounters which NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 9081a858-5d20-4e8e-97a1-0b35da918f4f 00:30:52.078 --> 00:30:55.552 were very difficult to to to record. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 18aad5c5-b9c7-49b7-89aa-2be1b5e6ba02 00:30:55.552 --> 00:30:58.456 But we got some from therapeutic NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 2aa2a55d-9d53-47fe-9511-13363de72de2 00:30:58.456 --> 00:31:01.578 sessions and some from from the court. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 66ad51b9-3439-4df1-8cef-9f41c66788df 00:31:01.580 --> 00:31:06.158 So I'm happy that Claudia already NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 97cda5b4-eed4-4edc-bfe6-dfaffad70151 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.757 said a lot about this approaches to NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 280493b8-b16d-400a-8880-bb34990ab6c1 00:31:08.757 --> 00:31:11.020 to interpreting and to interpreters, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 cc1da55e-5574-47a5-8c5c-abf4c8d7bcc8 00:31:11.020 --> 00:31:13.768 and as a sociolinguists we Orient NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 a04dc54a-ef24-4aa4-8ecf-2fbee850988e 00:31:13.768 --> 00:31:16.917 of course to this very complex idea NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 cc411bed-0b3e-41ec-a133-47e13b9bcf2b 00:31:16.917 --> 00:31:19.112 that interpreting is of course NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 eaacfaf0-186a-42fd-a01a-e5e264791875 00:31:19.112 --> 00:31:21.825 a joint practice of negotiating NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 598394f5-d150-439c-8b15-b6797529eeae 00:31:21.825 --> 00:31:24.157 and Co constructing meaning. NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 da6a0fd3-f747-48ea-89ee-e1948a1549b5 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:25.525 But of course I'm mentioning NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 5ec55a7a-a365-4686-a3ad-3a9ca505bd17 00:31:25.525 --> 00:31:26.617 here the conduit model, NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 4d3cae36-f996-4011-a9c2-27d15d8826f5 00:31:26.620 --> 00:31:29.422 because this is how guidelines usually NOTE Confidence: 0.7839155736 8bdcbd0e-c692-495b-9e13-d44f759d53e9 00:31:29.422 --> 00:31:32.130 Orient to, and they still which is. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 a736b3e8-b1a6-4d5a-ab59-e2d7186799be 00:31:32.130 --> 00:31:35.514 Don't believable and we can discuss NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 c0cda3a3-9c80-4b33-ad35-d19eeeaf72b4 00:31:35.514 --> 00:31:38.879 that they still have this very. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 32c85057-9644-418d-a34b-f9b175215d44 00:32:25.990 --> 00:32:27.190 This is the best interpreting, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 3f988876-fe9e-4cfe-ac6c-b23e5312f97c 00:32:27.190 --> 00:32:29.010 although practice shows something else. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 a586c1ae-58dd-48a1-9478-5d9b617326db 00:32:29.010 --> 00:32:31.978 But let's let's let's have NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 3cfe46cd-2127-4ff5-aa16-3e929c6f3aaa 00:32:31.978 --> 00:32:33.348 this discussion in the end, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 faf7318a-46ef-4113-93fb-eec430d14a07 00:32:33.350 --> 00:32:37.004 so interpreting is interaction is our take. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 6c873d03-ef8c-4c5a-8b73-35d579a0d9b7 00:32:37.010 --> 00:32:39.098 And also I'm very interested in NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 86426fd8-846e-4051-93d5-361ac8430040 00:32:39.098 --> 00:32:40.142 in different interpreter. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 918b00d4-88b6-41b3-9a35-b4485634e76d 00:32:40.150 --> 00:32:41.112 Roles, uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 24f47997-d5d1-49af-a4cd-23bbe7b6812d 00:32:41.112 --> 00:32:43.036 there's something that Claudia NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 c906a591-1c8b-4de8-982d-28f9815ddc9c 00:32:43.036 --> 00:32:46.611 has been doing a lot of research NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 dd3347cb-a9e4-441b-a63f-131243e1443c 00:32:46.611 --> 00:32:48.695 and very inspiring articles. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 940d93a9-8269-44e1-a8b9-9f6975820eca 00:32:48.700 --> 00:32:51.402 So basically you can have the interpreter NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 0f9db789-a51a-43f8-8c1d-e9e6d35e917e 00:32:51.402 --> 00:32:54.018 as a messenger and or a negotiator, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 be79280f-1922-4225-90ae-881562c7783d 00:32:54.020 --> 00:32:56.190 or even as a second doctor like NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 f053c4ef-59d4-497c-8fe9-6d568b58b9c8 00:32:56.190 --> 00:32:58.078 there's a gatekeeper as a counselor, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 51e92c4c-c1c9-4b37-b94e-c7347af53a40 00:32:58.080 --> 00:33:00.016 so there are a lot of different roles NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 1e513b37-502c-44c2-bf5b-35c7a73d8515 00:33:00.016 --> 00:33:02.299 and also this discussion of whether the NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 d16755b2-6b6e-47cc-b223-9883b6ece58b 00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:04.039 interpreter is visible and visible, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 32e5eeb9-ac56-49b9-b7ba-eae658b2e978 00:33:04.040 --> 00:33:06.304 which is also interesting in terms of the NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 864ae319-ee6a-4150-8876-3e9736ba5dec 00:33:06.304 --> 00:33:08.478 fact that interpreter is always there, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 75e6c0e4-c9b2-4a31-9245-ecd066e681e0 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:10.340 so obviously they're visible. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 e50eb87a-ff8e-41c9-9c7a-dd3840dfe646 00:33:10.340 --> 00:33:13.130 But it's still an idea that, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 c74b1a38-be5e-4721-aec1-0748f04fd448 00:33:13.130 --> 00:33:13.542 UM, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 ab4b4f9a-19ea-494f-a84c-548313416a5e 00:33:13.542 --> 00:33:15.190 the invisible interpreter is NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 2c28fe63-e1b9-4585-b968-1f688fe693b7 00:33:15.190 --> 00:33:17.633 kind of a better alternative than NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 38701f77-1d0d-48b3-8c94-eb8d519ac7e5 00:33:17.633 --> 00:33:19.208 the one who is visible, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 20225ab9-92b9-4a40-9bb4-2ce32f8a2a10 00:33:19.210 --> 00:33:22.230 so this this is interesting. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 e5cee982-61d6-47ee-9ad5-d50d21ac6467 00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:24.547 I would like to draw your attention NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 7b045f23-331f-4fd0-b0a5-2d5255d44664 00:33:24.547 --> 00:33:27.230 here to the interpreter strategies, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 098728f1-b3c6-4dc3-a11e-e940c1a8bd0b 00:33:27.230 --> 00:33:28.670 not because this is something new, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 7813a803-c53f-4c6e-bae3-9d57c6c50712 00:33:28.670 --> 00:33:30.050 but because I want to address NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 88f7d4b1-34b8-4c70-9c6f-35e866d58b11 00:33:30.050 --> 00:33:30.970 them in the examples. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 86b03987-00f7-46ac-9ea8-5ca80b61f8c4 00:33:41.780 --> 00:33:44.540 You said or you could also, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 275a695e-d402-4997-854d-f0e42b9beb70 00:33:44.540 --> 00:33:45.752 as an interpreter, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 bd4403b4-4b96-4453-8137-e03ded41ebdb 00:33:45.752 --> 00:33:47.368 reproduce the original speakers, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 f56c1b9b-c26c-4e10-b550-d237aadf661d 00:33:47.370 --> 00:33:49.170 intonation and pitch and gaze. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 046f9967-2848-4363-b819-b777629ae3d2 00:33:49.170 --> 00:33:50.870 This happens actually very rarely, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 2896b0c3-c641-456d-9e0a-ea776cbf6717 00:33:50.870 --> 00:33:53.691 but I'm mentioning it here because it NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 ebe26ab3-3f92-4c8a-bc9c-58623a2c1cdf 00:33:53.691 --> 00:33:56.681 it appears in the expectations and NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 218354f5-2e66-4a97-b41d-dc795dd93b3e 00:33:56.681 --> 00:33:59.267 then interpreters may also meta commands, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 e9b42d37-79b6-4892-9f0b-6067fc30a52a 00:33:59.270 --> 00:34:02.390 so these are different modes NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 da688562-963f-40f5-a470-053d444692a5 00:34:02.390 --> 00:34:03.638 that interpreters. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 15088304-a7ac-4da6-bce4-363bcbb6648b 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.496 Tap on in there I'm interpreting, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 591336c8-b698-460e-9ae7-8d4d815c75d8 00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:08.000 so I'll go back to this. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 85258426-3d06-43f5-9756-b85f12720e54 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.883 So the setting that we, Umm, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 7f2f0c5d-648b-4052-a1b9-15376eacff9b 00:34:10.883 --> 00:34:14.824 I'm going to address and I have NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 8271ef1b-1844-40de-9416-fc4f6382714c 00:34:14.824 --> 00:34:17.189 examples from is the is. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 766348b4-aac4-40b2-8c76-3a8d638d5f69 00:34:17.190 --> 00:34:20.200 A therapy setting in which we have NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 d963dde2-cee9-49d3-bb39-8a025d629475 00:34:20.200 --> 00:34:23.119 therapists who are psychologists from, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 7ae47e86-e8a8-4c25-b503-f75b60e090a5 00:34:23.120 --> 00:34:24.420 uh, a psychiatric department. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 8e0f7862-6cc4-42d8-ba7e-911dfcd5f330 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:26.045 And they all speak Danish, NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 61f22c4f-1043-4b6c-a233-d259ad01e0c6 00:34:26.050 --> 00:34:28.108 but their patients are with migrant NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 7c4eff54-0e00-49cf-8e32-b770265a40f4 00:34:28.108 --> 00:34:30.110 background and they they all speak. NOTE Confidence: 0.8745396825 7918a0cb-a292-442c-b7ae-f7bbd1556df9 00:34:30.110 --> 00:34:32.810 Usually in our recordings Arabic. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 31cc3d4a-fe14-4ca5-87f2-50bd94e4861f 00:35:26.936 --> 00:35:29.897 Well, obvious one advantages that you can NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 95a6150f-c7d3-4779-b0c1-1f92c850b204 00:35:29.897 --> 00:35:32.962 understand each other, but how do the. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 0194b447-9481-4a84-9fd3-96985e5a69a3 00:35:32.962 --> 00:35:35.427 The therapist looked at the NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 5c9e1792-8888-45a3-992a-b3a307933777 00:35:35.427 --> 00:35:37.340 interpreters and their role. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 f7f4232a-a105-4752-a443-59f3462f9351 00:35:37.340 --> 00:35:39.086 Did they have any good and NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 0e5a4e54-a896-46b1-ac96-bb8d36d263af 00:35:39.086 --> 00:35:39.959 any bad experience? NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 bf6920be-660e-482e-97c4-e485bbb7c7aa 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:41.997 So, UM, these were kind of open NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 28370355-cea8-49d1-bcd8-49faefdf0351 00:35:41.997 --> 00:35:44.096 questions that we put in the interviews NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 bd4bc6f7-3fa2-43fd-82e4-239d46ec6737 00:35:44.096 --> 00:35:46.380 and we wanted to have their answers. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 a5dda2b3-43dc-405e-9449-3b47e79d3b8b 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:49.378 And then we compared them to where NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 94d5724b-4b24-49ae-b71f-4f3e07db13b6 00:35:49.378 --> 00:35:51.886 it was possible to the practical NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 80f8d779-5186-41ac-a3d9-52a47f030ab1 00:35:51.886 --> 00:35:54.440 examples from these seven recordings. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 1a5bee29-a5a0-4844-97ec-e27e5d0de2a6 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.180 So let me start with the NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 5427902a-ac66-46d8-9ef1-2493a8ba2731 00:35:59.180 --> 00:36:00.760 expectations immediately. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 05d09529-5e7f-4878-bc02-1dc1fdfc3837 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.452 Well, of course, NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 fccc92f3-e362-43fe-a6f2-396e7d903736 00:36:02.452 --> 00:36:05.209 not surprisingly, we saw this. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 17438823-68b6-4333-85bf-79912c04d591 00:36:05.209 --> 00:36:05.752 Immediately, NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 33b536e0-a740-44f3-9005-1145539f9bed 00:36:05.752 --> 00:36:08.467 this preference for verbatim renditions. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 7000327d-edf1-42c6-b310-c32f36140113 00:36:08.470 --> 00:36:10.654 They said that you have to spend time NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 b3529c72-802b-4af5-b230-4c0c459690f8 00:36:10.654 --> 00:36:12.717 explaining to these interpreters that they NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 98a93e07-c459-4e2f-9ce0-4f3f29dbf40f 00:36:12.717 --> 00:36:14.901 should only translate and nothing else, NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 816f13aa-d094-43cb-b719-6d876318c202 00:36:14.910 --> 00:36:16.405 and this was interesting because NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 778fa688-aef9-418a-a1c8-0f0fd3021a7a 00:36:16.405 --> 00:36:18.389 they said if you don't do this, NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 a8faa6d9-d641-4df9-8cae-1713fbd8f536 00:36:18.390 --> 00:36:20.220 then they start dominating and their NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 cbd5096d-c1a7-4cd8-8862-416ef6f0eeef 00:36:20.220 --> 00:36:21.890 presence will swallow the meaning. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 8721c190-376d-4934-ab38-6327b5e18321 00:36:21.890 --> 00:36:23.530 So the interpreters they should NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 9d27ddde-7d90-48f0-9646-8c05f4f2717e 00:36:23.530 --> 00:36:25.170 only animate and nothing else. NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 3cdc35c8-3d62-4455-b6c4-61f3ab18f72d 00:36:25.170 --> 00:36:27.070 So this actually came immediately NOTE Confidence: 0.866548552222222 cc77ce48-d3c7-4433-8a4b-acc8c3570199 00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:29.260 at the same time, however. NOTE Confidence: 0.892468176666667 8f7da58b-f108-4425-a4ac-cadb056dfe7c 00:36:31.290 --> 00:36:32.730 They kind of expressed that NOTE Confidence: 0.892468176666667 cd770b28-ff19-4adf-9ec9-50fbe39e85f4 00:36:32.730 --> 00:36:33.882 there is something more. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 30e2097b-8ddf-46d7-863c-76f4c289a7da 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.282 I don't know whether I expressed NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 d4f612ee-615a-4caa-90f9-53a03c558819 00:41:23.282 --> 00:41:25.673 myself clearly, but I could. NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 0f07a6fb-18d1-43a4-aad9-cf715e72e1d2 00:41:25.673 --> 00:41:28.197 I could some UM, NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 7f993c30-1966-456c-b6fa-a52c342ee1af 00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:30.055 I could elaborate on on that later, NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 0539800a-7b83-40a2-a594-c19538301eaa 00:41:30.060 --> 00:41:32.990 so and what so this? 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NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 d7939c14-718b-480c-bcd9-9b8a04ca876b 00:43:26.052 --> 00:43:29.151 He says oh it's something that I feel NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 b355171b-a461-4ccd-8683-dda623d4eca9 00:43:29.151 --> 00:43:31.615 it's something that irritates her because NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 ffb7917a-dfde-4271-814e-6a5d04d36c5b 00:43:31.615 --> 00:43:34.310 I didn't show you the original here, NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 1d4c441a-782b-4d73-bebe-4cdaa46e75ca 00:43:34.310 --> 00:43:36.206 but it's really difficult to understand NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 8c682780-7435-4229-91ca-cf38ce8e4f56 00:43:36.206 --> 00:43:38.100 and it's difficult to understand. NOTE Confidence: 0.846190704 a703dbb0-d53b-4abb-a61d-549813861750 00:43:38.100 --> 00:43:39.950 What comes first is it? 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NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 e99a6712-2c06-4a66-8e2a-b6c158a8a267 00:43:49.710 --> 00:43:51.789 And what happens so so this is NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 f19aa6d8-02d9-4b95-aa90-1832ea227b29 00:43:51.789 --> 00:43:53.520 this decision that the interpreter NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 847ac57a-8ce5-44e9-b7c7-c82a9a3a5a75 00:43:53.520 --> 00:43:55.465 has made to create coherence, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 8261ad74-5595-46ac-a842-30752f8808f6 00:43:55.470 --> 00:43:58.310 and in the end he kind of gives up and says, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 820353a4-241b-4ebe-8fcc-6817a757ee64 00:43:58.310 --> 00:44:00.986 I think it's what irritates her. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 d8274bb8-04c7-4fa4-b01b-cc26e4d18e45 00:44:00.990 --> 00:44:05.470 And this is a way to show the therapist that. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 a0666a0d-08a3-4055-b060-9f0d63c470f7 00:44:05.470 --> 00:44:08.332 Well, this is what I get from this talk. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 4f938c53-8477-459b-a839-5e16a9b5846e 00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:10.734 So none of the two modes NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 8ffd827d-5204-40a2-a10a-97807402ffb5 00:44:10.734 --> 00:44:12.850 display and replay are used, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 5b467919-bd69-475b-acbe-310fde2d7c31 00:44:12.850 --> 00:44:16.756 but it's it's really a struggle to NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 e39faf5d-cd19-4cb3-8be3-82cc2c52c44d 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:18.860 to to render what the patient says, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 35973656-3c4c-404f-b39a-91a94a905a41 00:44:18.860 --> 00:44:20.606 and then he also the interpreter NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 a56c0324-f8ec-436a-8167-7a0ebca975f0 00:44:20.606 --> 00:44:22.279 meta communes in in the end. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 3f246265-a7b1-4bbd-877c-0bb8d7c0deb8 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.200 So that's the point can come across, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 a72f7ffc-db1b-49ad-9fc8-b960b3624f5b 00:44:26.200 --> 00:44:29.944 so I think that there are NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 9662a1e0-4da9-43d5-b706-c94b98a2e12d 00:44:29.944 --> 00:44:32.440 very clear differences between NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 feba0dad-20cd-4da7-8a43-1d8b63e403a0 00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:35.460 expectations and practice. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 9245c65a-0623-477a-99ca-dd068c239d8e 00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:37.595 But there are also within the expectations, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 65cfd4dd-454e-47a9-83bf-4031bf6f56ac 00:44:37.600 --> 00:44:38.476 because this is. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 d96c4fac-45bb-4516-bf7b-724a885254fc 00:44:38.476 --> 00:44:41.445 So that this was the topic of today, uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 d01027d4-45fe-49c1-b06e-2d4628082e27 00:44:41.445 --> 00:44:44.770 we also found some some interesting UM, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 4a17f14f-7d0d-4506-a50d-6feda067a334 00:44:44.770 --> 00:44:45.482 inconsistencies or, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 752a57db-c31b-47e6-abff-2d000bc16945 00:44:45.482 --> 00:44:48.330 or at least some things that we haven't NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 48f91216-f511-4815-b8e4-c5fe9237fa78 00:44:48.330 --> 00:44:51.588 seen in any other data set in terms of NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 fee24c75-893b-49fe-bb4d-0e7094f11653 00:44:51.588 --> 00:44:54.566 what mode should be used with whom. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 a100139e-23be-412c-8301-72de1080408b 00:44:54.570 --> 00:44:57.867 And the practice is of course different. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 875499b2-4079-457c-9824-46cd0484ad84 00:44:59.670 --> 00:45:02.370 We also found them very interesting NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 cb9c7fa3-9d03-4d63-bcd3-cf9f21136d62 00:45:02.438 --> 00:45:04.918 because they fall outside the NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 165578c0-2e4c-4c06-8448-d704bdff4b01 00:45:04.918 --> 00:45:06.406 traditional interpreting norm, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 b638ff3b-ed89-4ffd-bcde-2b8206c9c699 00:45:06.410 --> 00:45:08.430 but under the right circumstances NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 44e70861-800b-41be-ab58-b248b9758038 00:45:08.430 --> 00:45:11.110 they might be some favorable strategy, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 34b8ee85-ebb7-4a18-a69c-5ca4e57efeb5 00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:13.580 because the word for word NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 1da22392-1710-4bd3-b71d-dae0c8e6a57f 00:45:13.580 --> 00:45:16.050 translation would not be enough, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 6c8ec243-5303-4323-85af-9f395101eb10 00:45:16.050 --> 00:45:20.612 and that perhaps in terms of NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 74d542ed-7474-491b-832d-b12b7f0d9e9a 00:45:20.612 --> 00:45:22.988 rendering difficult talk emotions, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 60a7795d-2530-47b0-a9f7-34d4d46c0fea 00:45:22.990 --> 00:45:24.614 word for word translation. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 f9fc96ca-8764-4117-95da-fd09aa0b7a18 00:45:43.620 --> 00:45:45.790 So I don't think there is a NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 34a32059-4f1f-4d39-8df7-83da9d8df47d 00:45:45.790 --> 00:45:47.880 right and wrong answer to that, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 efb6a1ea-bb06-44f0-9050-ad5a52d60c69 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.281 but I believe there is a balance NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 91a566fc-32ef-410e-9e2a-087c1137c05d 00:45:50.281 --> 00:45:53.014 that needs to be that needs to NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 d8a9dea5-8439-4949-ba13-b3fcdc897ead 00:45:53.014 --> 00:45:55.044 be negotiated and and navigated. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 3afc3cb9-889e-4f7a-8ed9-07575ec7a3c9 00:45:55.050 --> 00:45:58.400 Of all the time so. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 d2a7b569-f6a7-4d3d-bfa9-2c85c7ac9922 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.292 I'm nothing new here that practice NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 14d15b1e-6ec9-4328-840b-70eb611075e8 00:46:01.292 --> 00:46:04.057 and expectations still do not match NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 92349a8c-ea94-46d4-ae34-169f9c38ae4f 00:46:04.057 --> 00:46:07.073 and I have put some points of course. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 d7e5b899-dffc-43fc-9f6e-e811a355b8a5 00:46:07.080 --> 00:46:11.400 Again nothing new and many before NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 a031649d-bb94-4718-b758-267d13b91187 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:15.572 us have been doing this and then NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 dae78d0b-2174-4eec-b557-accec3daaa27 00:46:15.572 --> 00:46:18.038 suggesting that interpreters and NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 4ef30f8d-0250-43a6-a255-cc724736d66d 00:46:18.038 --> 00:46:20.918 therapists need to know more NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 5e3d444f-11dd-412d-a36e-37d79fe09ddc 00:46:20.918 --> 00:46:23.222 about their practices and. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 434a5e19-1f59-4d39-8a26-b4d9ee26fd0e 00:46:23.230 --> 00:46:26.046 And there are situations so, but let's, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 c1a68932-6be3-49ca-8775-653a5ed4a60e 00:46:26.046 --> 00:46:27.922 uh, I'll just stop here and then, NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 30a19983-a846-4f7a-ba1a-efc4ebb309de 00:46:27.930 --> 00:46:32.070 let's discuss, uh, from here on. NOTE Confidence: 0.91354193 22c4d9b3-04b3-4c25-89b7-0be1ed23e60e 00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:33.000 What to do? NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 9dd76447-0bb9-4666-8e9a-24f7699a11eb 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:40.564 Thanks, Marsha. 48 uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 3f4b1de8-8297-4a79-8773-9e7b67616919 00:46:40.564 --> 00:46:43.772 really a great question to start as Jane, uh? NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 82437b6a-5660-479d-825a-c15375a24fef 00:46:43.772 --> 00:46:45.580 I remember those issues. NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 98b3d0e2-926e-4433-93b9-70f2ce986855 00:46:45.580 --> 00:46:47.848 Uh, for as long as I remember NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 580a9fca-b7a2-4ccd-b669-2a8c2dff8994 00:46:47.848 --> 00:46:49.460 attending those stocks, I mean, NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 44382e0c-ab6d-48e6-b8ba-ad7e4413a998 00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:51.700 of course they the the richness of NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 6cc218b1-74a1-41e3-98e6-68851be1b22a 00:46:51.700 --> 00:46:54.013 our understanding and the depth of NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 515850d1-a3a0-42f8-aa67-294c0f4fe6ff 00:46:54.013 --> 00:46:56.700 the complexity and so on increases. NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 bb31a460-cc40-46fc-974a-d041c6583edb 00:46:56.700 --> 00:47:01.060 But the fundamental core of the issues and. NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 4d1ccc9a-d430-42aa-ba4a-22b34b498ec5 00:47:01.060 --> 00:47:03.902 We spend an enormous amount of work NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 19e0d8d1-9e66-4939-bae5-4eeaa46cbe3b 00:47:03.902 --> 00:47:05.759 working and attempting to work, NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 3705bf1c-03ac-46e7-b53b-9ef1f3ed7ed3 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:07.492 uh, with various organizations NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 ee8b08ca-9f61-4f78-b7f1-e90bce01e081 00:47:07.492 --> 00:47:09.657 with professionals and so on. NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 e6c98265-efc1-4522-aaee-2731012f6a06 00:47:09.660 --> 00:47:12.702 And we just still see the NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 1c38ffbf-7419-426e-8338-369fd71b068d 00:47:12.702 --> 00:47:14.730 resilience of the issues, NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 3ffebf51-f155-4610-909c-745cf438fe2e 00:47:14.730 --> 00:47:17.232 and the question is how and NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 d2e89a5a-ed52-4d5c-8882-5e2baad3f546 00:47:17.232 --> 00:47:19.650 to what extent we can be. NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 c51f16c8-e373-4537-9ee3-527b5dfb28cd 00:47:19.650 --> 00:47:22.488 Really more effective in in in NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 ba71aa45-bf01-4446-8207-6a6df4b6761d 00:47:22.488 --> 00:47:24.358 sort of communicating what it NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 38412d32-fd25-4c05-b92f-02c0f3e786cc 00:47:24.358 --> 00:47:26.194 is is that we can communicate, NOTE Confidence: 0.61271633 ff0ebd9e-77e0-4680-ae2f-0283904f94ed 00:47:26.200 --> 00:47:26.710 so NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 7f9ade76-c855-492b-88ec-d9cba17b627c 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.384 we are doing well in terms of time. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 3953c83d-fc80-4301-a2bc-56f3230c8d6e 00:47:31.390 --> 00:47:33.705 Well done, you're very well NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 bce455ea-3194-4f5a-a985-9ff64b5a65e6 00:47:33.705 --> 00:47:35.094 disciplined to yourselves, NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 0e2298d8-3ad1-4a46-85c9-9287385acbf7 00:47:35.100 --> 00:47:37.284 and I was actually certain that we NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 2b8b7f7c-17c1-41bd-85c6-cc39c7d8cdc8 00:47:37.284 --> 00:47:39.706 wouldn't be able to have a discussion NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 00ac3103-187c-4abb-8eb1-d156c492aeaf 00:47:39.706 --> 00:47:41.476 with all your fascinating work. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 8e4e85a6-f9ce-454f-b1b0-96718a8bda8d 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.960 I'm going to open up the floor to NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 e63df6ed-16bc-44f4-acc9-27b611c99e94 00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.242 the three of you first for sort NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 22a34920-254b-4b48-ac44-bcc5b6aaa81d 00:47:46.242 --> 00:47:48.834 of five or six minutes to ask. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 a49b6a72-3ae9-44cd-ab24-5552e9776e5a 00:47:48.834 --> 00:47:52.978 In questions that are pertinent not NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 656b3004-0123-44b7-b30a-22ee9f128a61 00:47:52.978 --> 00:47:55.309 to each other's presentation per se, NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 7fedc0dc-9ff6-4838-ae67-327b5990b28e 00:47:55.309 --> 00:47:57.220 because that will start the kind of NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 0d0688d9-211a-43a8-9378-e6a7b12f8dd1 00:47:57.278 --> 00:47:58.986 zigzag that will take all the time. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 add446a4-5a26-4920-aa51-0eeff3ac1a98 00:47:58.990 --> 00:48:00.814 But any question that you feel NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 f12fe030-71cd-426c-a1d2-bea7d35c8306 00:48:00.814 --> 00:48:03.545 one of you is actually in a very NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 fe797402-1ccb-4a74-a56c-321b3c616ff6 00:48:03.545 --> 00:48:05.350 good position to respond to. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 3b32f865-5be5-4f28-b51a-8519f9f8e2f2 00:48:05.350 --> 00:48:07.758 Open up the conversation from the floor. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 1db9aef1-ffcf-4fea-b13f-0d199b257e0f 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.456 OK, so about 5-6 minutes and then. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 e0009371-a586-4916-9da8-ba0435dd9465 00:48:11.460 --> 00:48:14.236 All colleagues who are with us please think NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 e67c6559-9d4c-4afb-895c-a48b685e9c7c 00:48:14.236 --> 00:48:17.318 of the questions that we want to to debate. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 01f8a918-9afa-4005-a52b-312ff398a1cf 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.168 Uh, and and sort of how we NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 1fbc4c6a-612f-4d1b-8ee7-4b654ffdce6c 00:48:19.168 --> 00:48:20.909 want to take this further. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 de69de40-33eb-4888-91b3-94897214a072 00:48:20.910 --> 00:48:22.770 Uh, Claudia, I'll start with you. NOTE Confidence: 0.93842595625 2586408c-9454-4fc2-8625-6fd28a95e835 00:48:22.770 --> 00:48:25.857 Any questions for either Martha or Susanna? NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 fa9b357f-a631-4e23-a2be-9b748ffcd16a 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.120 I'm not sure they are questions, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b40ac4ef-37fa-4c6d-9af6-5fdd2108d718 00:48:32.120 --> 00:48:34.024 but as I was listening to both NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 bf03433c-dae0-4ee7-b94c-427d2320947a 00:48:34.024 --> 00:48:36.213 talks and thank you very much for NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 e7ddb9f2-32ba-493b-974c-09b5852ec847 00:48:36.213 --> 00:48:37.853 them and and really fascinating, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 15d62b87-4531-4736-aeb1-1cc4c8fe2908 00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:39.756 I was making notes to myself. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 1bc8472f-d381-4891-8d3e-b63dd2611057 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.806 Things that I think help us understand NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 d4983f75-ce22-4212-8efa-be9daa4d933f 00:48:43.806 --> 00:48:46.080 why this mismatch, for example, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 f566dcea-feb5-4156-beab-58949013adca 00:48:46.080 --> 00:48:48.620 but that doesn't mean we can solve it right? NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 c37667de-ef8a-470d-9833-e804aa0147ae 00:48:48.620 --> 00:48:51.278 Or because there's nothing worse than, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 8141171d-138d-494d-8ece-7e1c6f6f3a82 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:52.704 you know we can. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 f3863a78-b923-454b-8dd7-a3408d2851de 00:48:52.704 --> 00:48:54.510 We can knock at the door that NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 4def9543-0748-4c3d-a51b-b785a4e10b10 00:48:54.510 --> 00:48:56.079 doesn't want to be open in a way. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 69a1959c-8f17-4857-8dee-70410a59d4a3 00:48:56.080 --> 00:48:57.893 I mean, we all have theories of NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b93620e8-49b3-4360-8d86-7c8372a0e782 00:48:57.893 --> 00:48:59.240 why this continues to happen. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 cd98112a-54b7-45ca-a368-04855dc6773f 00:48:59.240 --> 00:49:00.356 It may be that it's the. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b13cdb6e-2e65-4745-ae35-7ae18f451941 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.565 Easiest model to transfer to active to NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 933c77a1-f129-4af5-8542-2d9d90f3858f 00:49:02.565 --> 00:49:04.551 teach and therefore you know we get NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 0cb6f1e4-cb9b-48a3-a564-6b91e2ffa376 00:49:04.551 --> 00:49:06.553 away from any other issues if we just NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 bbd69eec-51a9-44a2-b152-3949366af0bb 00:49:06.553 --> 00:49:08.465 say you simply do this to a student, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 74d49d29-fb43-431a-a9b3-27a70c767987 00:49:08.470 --> 00:49:09.194 for example. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 efd9e07b-c1ea-4628-8ff3-ba92c9236b90 00:49:09.194 --> 00:49:11.004 But that's that's a hypothesis NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 57109232-a586-4433-aa23-74381a20e250 00:49:11.004 --> 00:49:12.749 that I have no proof. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 3d049f21-19c2-4c4f-9e22-62570ab27b85 00:49:12.750 --> 00:49:14.490 But I would say when I NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 fe213f26-48d4-4a1d-9dd2-a566719111d6 00:49:14.490 --> 00:49:15.650 was listening to Susanna, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 e9e30021-de00-4455-b5d7-95ca65ebae9a 00:49:15.650 --> 00:49:18.530 the thing that that came to me all the time, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 004121da-43ba-4f6f-bffe-973a2118f912 00:49:18.530 --> 00:49:21.138 that happens in every event that I have NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 2c66b70a-b5ca-4332-bc4a-6efa4a72af24 00:49:21.138 --> 00:49:23.844 observed is that both translation and NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 e4877058-bcfd-4e47-8826-6e5b8103b8e1 00:49:23.844 --> 00:49:25.828 interpreting are situated practices, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 89b15b75-4886-4d7c-9b63-c283c3d21b74 00:49:25.830 --> 00:49:26.126 right? NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b8eb83bf-2e5d-4bce-b103-9b5a729d8a7e 00:49:26.126 --> 00:49:27.902 So if we forget that they NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 c49b1f79-0ea2-4ba1-982b-f52ea545b093 00:49:27.902 --> 00:49:28.790 are situated practices, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 468b68ff-a1a6-4cb3-ae38-48d21e763aa9 00:49:28.790 --> 00:49:31.316 then we think that something can NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b48b2ff9-3739-4781-8434-83edbb6c7599 00:49:31.316 --> 00:49:34.149 be good all the time or say. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b444f2d3-b31f-499d-aa50-a976cb878976 00:49:34.150 --> 00:49:35.870 And Susanna puts you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 fd33c035-ee19-416c-8c30-af68e5d1320c 00:49:35.870 --> 00:49:38.306 the emphasizes the fact that we, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 f8776f9c-8bb2-4aa5-bcd8-489549cf1683 00:49:38.310 --> 00:49:39.762 when we are collecting data and NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 75f1fa12-5329-49f9-8ca0-8c728053fa3f 00:49:39.762 --> 00:49:41.390 we are coming to conclusions. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b72ea2f2-39bb-4bf5-92f3-d35cbd747eac 00:49:41.390 --> 00:49:43.180 Triangulating is one of the NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 2f77b0d2-3d20-46f1-8dd6-ddf62d6a2c71 00:49:43.180 --> 00:49:44.612 most important things so. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 36a05ae3-b7f7-486b-af08-0767c40f1525 00:49:44.620 --> 00:49:46.660 It it really what you were NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 732f6e9c-cff5-4d09-bfca-455fa226ff10 00:49:46.660 --> 00:49:48.310 saying made me think of. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 a38d1e2a-3de1-4d29-ba34-7a7b2db0ee7d 00:49:48.310 --> 00:49:50.830 We will never get to the core of the NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b0ece2d3-9bb1-4135-ae29-13fe96eb6bf2 00:49:50.830 --> 00:49:52.710 perception or the belief if we only NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 111765ed-2ce0-4789-b2ca-79d9698d0f63 00:49:52.710 --> 00:49:55.349 stay with what the what the person is saying, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 06012e2e-4e89-4992-9fd7-acf5dd93c569 00:49:55.350 --> 00:49:55.750 right? NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 9bb00805-e8bb-4a94-8b0d-3f7af9ccc2a9 00:49:55.750 --> 00:49:57.750 Which is what you are NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 a364edf9-8991-4d8b-8021-f4c0bbeb0886 00:49:57.750 --> 00:49:58.950 implying and triangulating. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 54d5ffa9-2f38-41dd-b495-95c612f97336 00:50:10.290 --> 00:50:12.165 It's their behavior and then NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 4974b038-3781-4bd5-9aa7-b78fff772262 00:50:12.165 --> 00:50:14.040 triangulating that with a direct NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 99585a96-749c-4912-bd5b-8f6762da9405 00:50:14.110 --> 00:50:16.402 observation of the behavior and then NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 145d8368-265b-44d0-86ef-a0753e5a44e5 00:50:16.402 --> 00:50:18.670 triangulating that with a reflection. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 3d81d7a1-2556-4d6c-8146-75b26b54f915 00:50:18.670 --> 00:50:21.136 From the part of the person, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 04ff23e2-3152-4285-8a08-89a2d82a3a06 00:50:21.140 --> 00:50:23.390 therefore we get more chances NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 83ce17a3-5ff5-4f7e-8ec7-643f93dff02a 00:50:23.390 --> 00:50:25.190 of seeing what happens. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 e7f6207d-248c-40ac-91f8-ad4061cb623c 00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:27.934 So to me your talk was highlighting NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 cea27871-2bdf-4901-be2a-f44314694989 00:50:27.934 --> 00:50:30.438 the need to triangulate and NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 52920557-41e1-43fb-9692-00344f8801d3 00:50:30.438 --> 00:50:33.538 stressing the fact that translation, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 1346f09e-d8cd-433e-b5d7-f579a96866ef 00:50:33.540 --> 00:50:36.378 depending you know who's the consumer, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 8345f334-10cb-4f99-89cc-b249462e065a 00:50:36.380 --> 00:50:38.612 the level of like degree of NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 d25d6482-039f-4bc3-8709-01896c342839 00:50:38.612 --> 00:50:41.005 literacy and context of the event NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 1e1fddf6-c144-47df-8686-655bb5dc4a6c 00:50:41.005 --> 00:50:43.085 and emotions that are running. 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NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 e5e2be72-277b-4768-bf37-c6e6c2356295 00:51:03.390 --> 00:51:06.673 So those two things came to me when NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 ed46e8ff-cbf9-43c9-86a7-c9ce175d4ffe 00:51:06.673 --> 00:51:09.091 I was listening to Susanna's talk NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 d86584d0-c959-4872-aba7-2c135670b78c 00:51:09.091 --> 00:51:11.070 and with Martha's talk if I may. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 ee7b4a01-96ba-4900-99b5-23b0010afe14 00:51:11.070 --> 00:51:13.919 Joe, may I talk about the two. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 6fecd7ea-2a9f-48fa-a0a1-0b75ef0b16b1 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:14.973 Uh, very briefly, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 5ec5391e-958f-461b-8887-a899e049235b 00:51:14.973 --> 00:51:17.079 because I want a very quick NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 20d199f9-beb1-4d09-8013-12b23e5dc809 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.349 reaction from Susanna. NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 cd6938ac-01cb-4420-99a8-745a8794f9df 00:51:18.350 --> 00:51:20.247 And then I want Susanna to ask NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 b59f5039-3055-4e86-961d-280744f09bb7 00:51:20.247 --> 00:51:21.698 Marta and market to ask so, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 c475c8c2-b977-42ea-b1bd-75e3aff0161c 00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:22.720 so and then, NOTE Confidence: 0.916653925 319f759e-5c44-4f8a-9102-2894f9269ec1 00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:24.760 then then let's get Susanna rolling. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 7408ff22-0fe5-4135-a442-7dca07b99753 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.320 Yeah, yeah, it's very good. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 9a3bb7f5-7ca9-4a6d-a336-2ba6dbb3cc17 00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:27.604 Yes, thank you, sorry, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 66d90c05-1412-4791-b9b2-443b5557a074 00:51:27.604 --> 00:51:29.917 because I don't want to lose this NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 c650136e-df66-4b3b-bc06-e3fd78a269de 00:51:29.917 --> 00:51:31.855 sort of the time for questions, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 4fffb2d3-4a0a-4dbb-8671-a97d90887fdb 00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:33.996 Susanna, I thank you so much, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 efd9eaff-3eed-4a89-b8ec-db0abb1d77fe 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:38.740 Claudia, that's. Totally, of course. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 9053076f-4e1d-4e79-b683-f020641127d5 00:51:38.740 --> 00:51:41.620 It's very important and what you say that we, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 24a90e8f-7260-4b92-95e4-6e0335b2509b 00:51:41.620 --> 00:51:46.090 uhm, I think you are so implied that it would NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8e716435-d492-4b67-b5ba-03581fa401fc 00:51:46.198 --> 00:51:51.770 be important to show the participant, UM. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 d505d404-87ca-480d-b048-f8d6625a03dc 00:51:51.770 --> 00:51:53.996 This comparison right and to see so NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 44d508da-13ca-418e-8e22-566cce575a8f 00:51:53.996 --> 00:51:56.708 that they can reflect on their practice. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 2747a74e-9cb2-4e5b-b6a4-bc5c878d24dd 00:51:56.710 --> 00:51:59.910 So for instance show I tracking data or NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 5a132bdd-133c-43c6-b41f-f0c66bac7827 00:51:59.910 --> 00:52:02.906 replay what they did on their computer, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 ad0cfe23-80e4-40be-9b98-409666729149 00:52:02.910 --> 00:52:05.705 replay recording of in your NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 494d11be-d613-425f-ad02-7fc7464f9bd6 00:52:05.705 --> 00:52:08.500 case of the interpreting events, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 2864ed48-862f-4705-aa84-c2220376a871 00:52:08.500 --> 00:52:13.204 and ask perhaps what you were thinking here. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 4c478221-d0d4-4aa2-a66d-8ea73977610b 00:52:13.210 --> 00:52:17.414 Do you think that you're still doing NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 f6bee3e9-b6aa-4eee-875d-c3cefe930d75 00:52:17.414 --> 00:52:20.550 what you said that you were doing? NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 3ec44a1f-aaeb-44e1-ae4d-c23b9aa23392 00:52:20.550 --> 00:52:22.788 That's perhaps we. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 423f1a2d-07c0-4b53-b7d1-23fdfb5c68a2 00:52:22.790 --> 00:52:25.065 We can confront them with this mismatch, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 98e8d82e-3fe2-4b49-9900-9951cb69ac22 00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:27.030 and then perhaps this this. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 829ee79f-f025-42f9-9cba-ca50b117f72c 00:52:27.030 --> 00:52:29.208 This leads to change of behavior. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 c39529a7-1b3a-44fc-ac2b-73540cbb3e48 00:52:29.210 --> 00:52:31.289 Is that what we want to change? NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 68e67e4a-8ef2-42b6-831f-731a5d137a14 00:52:31.290 --> 00:52:31.738 Behavior? NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 77f786f6-d216-4ea3-bb89-d0a8fad187bb 00:52:31.738 --> 00:52:34.874 Is that what we are implying here NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 bb6efed6-9dc2-46c5-9cbe-90cccdba0591 00:52:34.874 --> 00:52:38.691 that we want a change of behavior NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 695303c0-2d28-4354-a3ec-ab9449ab04a9 00:52:38.691 --> 00:52:40.955 of interpreters and translators. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 a337aefe-958b-4e9a-9e14-89a608c88cf1 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.138 I don't know if that's that's what we want. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 c4bb53a9-79eb-4f5f-8d68-b0d8154a7e82 00:52:43.140 --> 00:52:43.580 Actually, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8ce2c07d-2e42-478d-8c14-13447724aad9 00:52:43.580 --> 00:52:47.100 this is a question and now connecting UM, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 feed6964-0914-43bd-9463-4de911f3fbce 00:52:47.100 --> 00:52:49.950 trying to connect to to what NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 fa592253-d3cb-45f2-bdd2-3f226e560434 00:52:49.950 --> 00:52:51.398 with Marsha presented. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 3640b8e9-5e6c-4faf-829e-acfa5fbcd79a 00:52:51.398 --> 00:52:53.888 When when Martha was discussing NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 60cc4b2c-542e-419f-ba8b-30ec09493649 00:52:53.888 --> 00:52:56.970 the work that she carried out, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 07c79d55-e43b-45db-a8e2-1067b936d0f4 00:52:56.970 --> 00:53:00.061 I, even, UM, wrote down, uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 52ae33d3-39c1-41d0-a0a5-57d5122e8307 00:53:00.061 --> 00:53:00.392 then, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 29884bf5-5eae-48d0-8791-c6ed4f3e6ba0 00:53:00.392 --> 00:53:02.709 if this is this is appears to NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 64647c5e-74bb-4972-966d-a0c1f13625d7 00:53:02.709 --> 00:53:05.672 be something that is common not NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 a1659d7b-1dcd-4cde-b43f-1577d7a6655d 00:53:05.672 --> 00:53:07.708 only on reaching translation, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 cef4124c-ed69-46b5-8af2-905f46f3c864 00:53:07.710 --> 00:53:10.335 but also on interpreting that NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8a273b8f-866b-4f98-b9a4-7d4330e1f26f 00:53:10.335 --> 00:53:12.435 there's this mismatch between. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 77e1eede-b690-48c1-9607-a2e2858304e4 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.660 Expectations and then actual behavior. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 018f0c5f-fb00-4743-a0c1-cddb437b9cc4 00:53:15.660 --> 00:53:20.350 This seems to be at least among US 3, right? NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 4164da78-c41a-4360-b7a1-2b03dc15944b 00:53:20.350 --> 00:53:23.346 It's also a shame for me personally, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 3a7ee34f-5f5a-4287-9d6a-1e0ee813eed7 00:53:23.350 --> 00:53:25.690 that medical interpreting and medical NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8c97a43e-4c62-40da-be84-38088f9139f2 00:53:25.690 --> 00:53:28.395 written translation is not in in NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 92cf71e6-31cd-42be-8f22-6294f4803bbb 00:53:28.395 --> 00:53:30.446 dialogue so that we can learn so NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 d0f0eab8-1a5e-4d45-a595-85df2b6fc163 00:53:30.446 --> 00:53:32.586 that I I'm talking very selfishly NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8b60d885-b87c-4a35-aeaa-07ee9c3ca331 00:53:32.586 --> 00:53:35.280 about myself so that I can learn NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8436ae78-6bc6-457f-b921-8a205c0c5ce9 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.100 from the knowledge that a medical NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 29103863-35af-4e9a-a22e-0db5b2407266 00:53:38.100 --> 00:53:40.270 interpreting researchers have collected. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 d978ee2c-b026-4efc-b09c-dad888e16941 00:53:40.270 --> 00:53:43.014 So I would also suggest that that NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 ce1cc0e5-45cb-4d10-b031-fc00dd73a2ab 00:53:43.014 --> 00:53:45.310 we talk more as as we are doing NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 df78f1f0-614f-4edf-a5e9-ec90ac6c9668 00:53:45.310 --> 00:53:46.960 here and we learn from each other. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 108db5e2-39a5-47d7-bcb6-5a4d5cc8339d 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.067 But what I wrote down was then NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8319bb5a-7c67-4eca-b8fc-82831a46724b 00:53:49.067 --> 00:53:50.930 how can we distinguish? NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 6c2733f3-60b7-47e4-89f7-b46752013d98 00:53:50.930 --> 00:53:53.230 Between. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 d8a97303-5ce8-4db1-98cc-ad4af32dfb8e 00:53:53.230 --> 00:53:56.026 Actual expectations and beliefs, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 bce39e10-eb5e-462b-a0d0-fee45fdeac34 00:53:56.026 --> 00:54:00.220 and these reproductions of discourses that NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 9e38f446-541f-4eb6-b1a3-a59dc4cd2c32 00:54:00.319 --> 00:54:03.724 go around regarding translation do we NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 3adb5fde-dc94-4588-b548-eb22b7810430 00:54:03.724 --> 00:54:06.264 want and can we start doing that in the NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 e98e450a-d77d-43fa-b954-366d912bde14 00:54:06.264 --> 00:54:08.790 classroom now connecting also with Claudia, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 b864cd02-7eb1-4724-8c78-da017718a8f5 00:54:08.790 --> 00:54:11.388 should we stop teaching how we NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 cec155e2-c76d-4d3f-b1ed-3b61956e151f 00:54:11.388 --> 00:54:14.448 teach and this way is very broad. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 8258ce8f-6c1f-4507-85c1-0106c7f8c97c 00:54:14.450 --> 00:54:15.082 We should. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 6a99baad-f5c4-4c57-84f4-be39e2d66096 00:54:15.082 --> 00:54:17.294 A lot of should said that the NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 444954c2-28f8-4d3c-a276-b9d77864bfc5 00:54:17.294 --> 00:54:18.120 questions matter. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 1bb4d0d8-768b-41ba-a26e-3d17925eae01 00:54:18.120 --> 00:54:20.220 I'm sorry I've put you in NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 52f35eb4-9691-4bd6-a3f3-165ae60b189a 00:54:20.220 --> 00:54:21.620 a difficult position now. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 5b438579-2de2-4eb6-a91c-3187323fc0b7 00:54:21.620 --> 00:54:24.875 I'll leave you with all the questions. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 c40b2ca9-3eb1-4100-8661-44339b974122 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:25.207 Martha, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 5348eddf-3aa7-4086-b356-7317d78ac35e 00:54:25.207 --> 00:54:28.150 you have uh 4 minutes total of weed sum NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 a716bdc9-b7e1-4fd1-88ea-2cba11203a1a 00:54:28.229 --> 00:54:30.947 is to respond to Susanna and one is to, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 0c73744f-1091-4cc9-9eca-805fc5824fa6 00:54:30.950 --> 00:54:33.246 uh, make a comment to Claudia and then NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 eb95a062-2341-4bd1-b16f-eb798195c688 00:54:33.246 --> 00:54:35.608 we are going to open to the floor. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 cd3e5a39-c4da-44dd-b51d-80eb3a622169 00:54:35.610 --> 00:54:37.920 OK, Umm I will try well. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 933cc24d-b20e-4221-a25f-5524c7d651d6 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.292 UM, responding to Susanna, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 3fae15da-b93a-42da-a407-807785d72213 00:54:40.292 --> 00:54:43.902 I I think that UMUM of course there NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 a57ba682-53c1-43ae-987e-9fad1cdd7b07 00:54:43.902 --> 00:54:45.442 is always a discrepancy between, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 897c314f-93e8-46d1-a8b2-f7486193dc3d 00:54:45.450 --> 00:54:46.642 uh, expectations and practice. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 45602f2c-f013-4567-b8ef-d84486b2d525 00:54:46.642 --> 00:54:48.430 And this is in every field. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 52c9a845-3233-4f46-8f07-01a2a8940582 00:54:48.430 --> 00:54:50.310 But that doesn't mean that we should say, NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 84b24436-0ab9-4837-a187-f85cac3e5416 00:54:50.310 --> 00:54:51.630 oh, this is how it is. NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 5abff869-e5df-499a-84f4-36cbf1880dae 00:54:51.630 --> 00:54:54.168 I think we should fight this NOTE Confidence: 0.65737509 cfcab41d-4761-4b03-be65-90c19babb8ca 00:54:54.168 --> 00:54:57.179 because it it is much against. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 75f41bf3-4cb0-4de1-b2f6-9a259bac84a3 00:54:57.180 --> 00:54:58.552 It must again practice, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 d1ca47c6-5c82-4fdf-8d58-e0afd31124e3 00:54:58.552 --> 00:55:00.860 so we cannot teach students that it. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 f46091f3-4faf-472e-9e9c-ec27bee5e108 00:55:00.860 --> 00:55:02.192 It looks like this when it NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 9ce28fbd-d294-4493-a3cc-6ed9becceb53 00:55:02.192 --> 00:55:03.080 doesn't look like this. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 82314b6f-01eb-4690-a6cb-195733abad92 00:55:03.080 --> 00:55:05.344 So we have examples we have so many NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 b371a866-cfa7-409d-8539-58889568192c 00:55:05.344 --> 00:55:07.126 examples that we could we could NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 0dbb9d37-4997-4355-ac8e-a5380123abf1 00:55:07.126 --> 00:55:08.860 show how how the practice looks, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 2bd027ca-f302-42e2-b511-52e21e217e43 00:55:08.860 --> 00:55:10.678 likes and of course we could. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 7a6055e7-f0bc-4ae4-8b45-662e2b59f686 00:55:10.680 --> 00:55:13.352 We could teach them if we're talking about NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 8018ac12-98ef-41f7-a3d9-0bd9518af2d9 00:55:13.352 --> 00:55:15.817 students that we have the ideological side, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 f8fc4197-e980-4641-85b8-6996cab34fc3 00:55:15.820 --> 00:55:17.210 and this is people's beliefs NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 a5b724f1-eda9-40ea-aca4-a34cc2946252 00:55:17.210 --> 00:55:18.044 and then language. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 9eab278b-d2e0-4bf9-8934-6b72b3b8a32e 00:55:18.050 --> 00:55:20.216 Genealogy is also very interesting field, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 5862ca90-47b8-4cfd-bf5d-2e308c70d64c 00:55:20.220 --> 00:55:22.098 and and ideology is about interpreting. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 fab19b8e-266d-498a-9837-73a85caa7b0c 00:55:22.100 --> 00:55:24.036 So this is just one field to study. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 269668fd-ca5f-4935-bff0-e6061784d3da 00:55:24.040 --> 00:55:27.120 But practice is a different thing and. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 483f66dc-daf9-4df6-99d6-62b9f9b48d5c 00:55:27.120 --> 00:55:30.408 Yes, for people outside of academia, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 711fea59-6aa1-4991-9861-851bfd4f5f54 00:55:30.410 --> 00:55:33.758 this probably thinks that. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 00d58dda-9e26-4480-97d7-1e842bbb3a3e 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.252 Going sites once in a while and NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 ab726b8e-3945-4f9d-abb9-d2f8e23163da 00:55:36.252 --> 00:55:39.098 and we can actually dissect them. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 c5f6dd5b-bd5c-435e-8940-a78752dcc35d 00:55:39.098 --> 00:55:40.610 I think so. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 1289a342-d543-45b8-bbb7-f1ab5fd1c2eb 00:55:40.610 --> 00:55:42.270 And and the other thing, uh, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 443595b7-a020-44b5-b99c-69fa7958b36f 00:55:42.270 --> 00:55:44.150 responding to to Claudia, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 ee97e9be-54b6-4890-8487-f3a22d3991bb 00:55:44.150 --> 00:55:46.830 I think I would like to bring the NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 d419c5a8-0239-482c-aa68-6a268e4ded1f 00:55:46.830 --> 00:55:49.333 question of of quality to the talk NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 92d67add-a52c-41a1-bf96-2f44f36e6c28 00:55:49.333 --> 00:55:51.985 because I think that the reason why NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 8df7c372-e909-4c49-9555-6ee22dd63d26 00:55:51.985 --> 00:55:54.855 there is still this insisting on the NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 160721b3-dd44-4e06-88af-16d38e68f1c6 00:55:54.855 --> 00:55:58.620 conduit model and the IS because, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 5cb76655-0c66-4964-9663-a717b247c447 00:55:58.620 --> 00:56:00.306 well, this is only on me. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 6c003e5d-09ac-4034-83cb-d3bc516438c5 00:56:00.310 --> 00:56:02.566 It's because it's easier to measure. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 66b89d96-7fba-4ae1-b43f-26508ef1d33f 00:56:02.570 --> 00:56:06.110 So if if we have something that is 1 to one, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 973d5746-5fc0-45fb-b5d7-315b5899d596 00:56:06.110 --> 00:56:07.664 then we can say oh, this is correct. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 ae544d74-1347-4556-95a4-11f6ec7a8d34 00:56:07.664 --> 00:56:08.908 This is wrong. This fit. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 b53c6e0d-b25a-400d-bf1b-e687ab318e90 00:56:08.908 --> 00:56:09.790 This doesn't fit, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 d75f18be-6f73-4fcd-bd36-845fd323264d 00:56:09.790 --> 00:56:12.550 so I think it's it's because of the NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 6a973510-a89c-4148-b92f-5139fd013d2b 00:56:12.550 --> 00:56:15.966 issue of quality and and it's easier to NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 ade65c6e-6bc0-4f4e-a1e9-6b609b525fc9 00:56:15.966 --> 00:56:18.734 measure simple objects and simple things. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 11572440-3758-4e0a-b33d-35af4abc692b 00:56:18.734 --> 00:56:22.693 So but again we have to make people NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 498946ba-63ba-4132-8817-039cdcd2ca40 00:56:22.693 --> 00:56:24.490 aware that simple translations NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 552eece6-a599-4289-a333-50d468987429 00:56:24.490 --> 00:56:26.770 are not always the best ones, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 57085d96-7981-4f91-92e0-3fa797f94ff3 00:56:26.770 --> 00:56:29.626 and there are a lot of. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 fe056085-0625-4c6b-9885-c74b5650bbd9 00:56:29.630 --> 00:56:32.888 Different sites, not sites to take, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 449f752c-a15a-4516-8984-cdcf3223dc29 00:56:32.890 --> 00:56:34.802 but there are a lot of considerations to NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 bcf4a78c-088e-4e6f-ac11-1d6dd124afd9 00:56:34.802 --> 00:56:36.818 make when people translate and interpret, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 60b308ba-3861-460e-9803-df8de5b9cfc1 00:56:36.820 --> 00:56:39.886 and UM, and that's a balance. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 454f2d62-7878-4023-b405-4faf144e405b 00:56:39.890 --> 00:56:41.530 I don't know whether I answered the question, NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 b2fb3e9d-8203-454e-89bc-0468d762c1db 00:56:41.530 --> 00:56:43.370 but I'm very interested in NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 3803ded6-d7d0-4f99-899c-fc153100eab9 00:56:43.370 --> 00:56:44.842 the issue of quality. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 025dd378-b6a2-4d76-b15f-f28f9d4c046c 00:56:44.850 --> 00:56:47.587 What is actually quality and and how? NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 1f554da5-0b3c-441a-af1c-f6526d59ed18 00:56:47.590 --> 00:56:49.700 How does it look like? NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 868d70ad-cbf5-4b77-960f-09c9cb7058f0 00:56:49.700 --> 00:56:50.262 Very good. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 1d5a0e17-ed31-4a21-8c88-cf99062c4ebb 00:56:50.262 --> 00:56:51.948 You have very good question and NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 4f226d59-320f-46b3-976f-ce208b9f0845 00:56:51.948 --> 00:56:53.451 also bringing uh also the the NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 4badb43a-39cf-4f09-a090-f4ad2b683844 00:56:53.451 --> 00:56:54.777 curriculum as it were in our NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 49fd04b9-3d93-4f38-9d03-9c6d19d1f495 00:56:54.831 --> 00:56:56.385 role in different sort of ways. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 91dffb06-9432-47f2-8fcb-2fe2a7de2906 00:56:56.390 --> 00:56:59.790 OK uh any questions. NOTE Confidence: 0.794858324545455 00569fc4-9ecb-43c2-b303-93b91d4d1704 00:56:59.790 --> 00:57:00.980 From colleagues. NOTE Confidence: 0.842722272 f9cf4e33-f5b4-4e49-8df6-97dcb77ec66e 00:57:03.130 --> 00:57:05.080 Any other angles or dimensions? NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 5d4dc1ab-b31b-4a56-a825-f669a64b7e72 00:57:09.530 --> 00:57:12.358 If I could just put in Joe. NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 d4a8736a-a3e2-4917-b92c-4f512333711e 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:13.875 Shall we end the recording NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 743e9827-db1e-465c-ba37-6258412164be 00:57:13.875 --> 00:57:15.087 for the audience questions NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 50ecf14a-8749-45c4-9f8e-03f42aabdc78 00:57:15.087 --> 00:57:16.749 or shall we leave it going? NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 aaa74194-6512-4b26-89bf-f4e9a7141978 00:57:16.750 --> 00:57:17.810 Yes yes. Yes, no. NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 bea22d0d-25bf-411d-8ae1-e5f9b9d61bd5 00:57:17.810 --> 00:57:19.400 We can actually stop the recording. NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 08b06dd2-9afc-429d-bb0f-47e1c713a92b 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:20.136 Thank you. NOTE Confidence: 0.799458708571429 6c079fbc-8afe-48b6-86b0-fcf89c57ae52 00:57:20.136 --> 00:57:21.976 Uh, yes, please go ahead.