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Introduction I'm trying to share
the content including computers

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and OK, it should work like this
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Can you see?

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I see some lovely. Yeah, I. Yes,
I have it. I have your editing

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Good.

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panel.

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Slide the show playing from the
start. So are you are with me

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You got it.

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perfect.

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OK, so hello everyone and it is
a joy for me really to be here

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and be talking to you today in
this very special environment

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that is the network and network
you know, made-up people with

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whom I, we I and we share so
many values and visions. So

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thank you so much for having me
for inviting me. Thank you again

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again. So as Helena.

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Umm mentioned today. In this
talk I would like to share with

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you the somewhat mysterious
journey that brought me to the

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creation of translating illness.

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So first I will describe uh, the
nature of this project, which

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was born from and continues to
develop a capacious ideal

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translation. So more
specifically, my project

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conceives the translation as a
formal communication across Rams

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of difference be these Rams
linguistic, cultural,

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disciplinary, professional and
or biological? In the second

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part of the talk, I will outline
how this ideal translation can

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apply to clinical scenarios.

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Specifically, today I will talk
about psychiatry and

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epidemiology and what I hope to
suggest is that translating

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Guinness provides an overarching
mode or comprehending and

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experiencing health and disease
wonders that is biocultural in

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nature. And finally, I will
suggest that this vision can

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help us inform policymaking
locally and globally, touching

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upon some questions of
sustainability.

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Across a human and non human
groups. So while I share with

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you the main stages and forms of
this journey, we may be able to

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notice that despite our
different backgrounds, perhaps

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we share a story by which I mean
that as humanities researchers,

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but first and foremost as
citizens, as people, we have a

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similar questions when examining
the intricate web of health

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policy, climate and cultural
issues of today's society.

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Through the translational PRISM
1, the cause forever, right? You

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responses our variety of
responses, health and disease.

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Far from being simply
biomechanical, realities reveal

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their complex nature and nature
that pertains to our bodies as

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well as to our minds and
therefore to our languages,

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lifestyles, cultures, affects,
and systems of values.

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Where does the story begin?
Well, where does anything begin

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at the beginning, of course.
Alright, then. Charles Foster

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Kane was born in Little Salem,
Colorado, etcetera. It's not

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working. Many stories begin with
a moment of unexpected change.

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And that's how they will
continue to.

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So what is this change? Has it
happened yet? Do we need it so I

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find it translating illness in
2019 and the idea for this

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project came to me is thinkingly
while reading a page of William

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Carlos Williams autobiography,
there must be a bond, I thought,

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between translation and disease,
so that Williams was a famous

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translator too. And obviously a
doctor, right? So this bond is

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mostly.

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I recognized this is
underexplored territory, perhaps

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even an uncharted planet.

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Then a series of questions or
problems arose. Why is

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translation used ubiquitously
across the humanities and

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Medical Sciences? And yet it has
remained siloed, somehow

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confined to separate practices
and domains of knowledge?

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And I think of course various
such as knowledge translation,

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the process of protein
synthesis, also called

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translation, and the complex act
with which we are more familiar

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of moving across languages and
cultures, what do these

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activities have in common and
why are they different? What

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could we make of these
commonalities and differences in

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research and policy about
translation and and in health

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care? How would I Ann holistic
understanding of transition

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change?

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Our research, Arizonans,
policymaking and clinical

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practices, and would such effort
be meaningful at all to us as

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scholars in the humanities, also
in in disciplinary level, what

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it is so on graspable and
mysterious about translation to

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the point that we cannot even
define fully comprehend it. We

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are all familiar, for example,
with statements such as it is

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impossible to translate a poem,
but it is really.

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Why? And this is the question
that is very dear to me. The

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more creative and deviant to the
language the list, the

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translatable the speech. What
kind of language do we speak in

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signals?

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Other pressing research
questions for me have been how

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can we invoke a translations
ability to synthesize the

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terrigenous to approach the
distant without, and this is

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crucial. Erasing space
cancelling differences without a

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perpetrating injustice, or
committing violence without

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fixing what we believe to be
abnormal or wrong. For example,

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the diseased body without
silencing patients, nurses,

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social workers, migrants, and
others who have little or no

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voice.

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Can translation offer patterns
over spirituality as I call

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them, whereby we can better
understand others, including the

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sick, who are often marginalized
without actually falling into

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the risk of other in them. As
you can see.

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The more we delve into these
questions, the more we can

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complicate this story as our
ready, problematic picture

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translation becomes deeper and
blurrier. In fact, we are all

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aware the translation is not
completely and then recently

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positive. There are instances
where translation is a

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threatening, even pathological,
domain and practice, and this is

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because translations can be
manipulated, manipulating and

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misused. So how can translator
translating?

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Proved to be dangerous or
oppressing in the healthcare

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sphere. How these dark side of
translation, as Federico

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Italiano put it, work and how
may we turn into something

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luminous? Questions such as
these offered a springboard for

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this project and still somehow
do so in this sketch which I,

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which I drew sorry for the
provision of look of it, this

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multilayered, at times
vertiginous inquiries started.

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As a matter of fact, with one
single basic intuition that

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health and disease are a
function of translation, they

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are fundamentally translational
in nature in that they depend

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upon forms of communication
across fears of difference

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within the body. I think of
cellular communication between

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body and mind between humans,
including patients and

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providers, patients and families
between humans and machines,

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between humans and animals,
across languages and cultures.

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And between and beyond the
ecosystems.

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So as simple as it is, this idea
that health and disease are a

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functional translation can
deeply impact a research and

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policy in that you present us
with a new set of tools. The

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tools of the by translation
theory, translation studies to

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tackle some of the most urgent
challenges of today's medicine.

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These tools have been developed
in a highly interdisciplinary a

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perhaps peripheral, sometimes
field of the humanities

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translation studies, something
that invites us to reflect upon

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the ways in which we produce.

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The rely upon humanistic and
medical knowledge.

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So today, translating English is
made as a Elena mentioned of the

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network of a team of around 15
academics and professionals from

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different backgrounds working at
the interfaces between global

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health policy, the creative
industry and academia. There are

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many universities and research
centers involved, but it's

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headquarters, so to speak, are
in Oxford and Oslo, and the

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project started just before the
coronavirus pandemic and now has

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grown and has four main
strengths.

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Translating it, not translating
covenant teen translating,

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sustainability and visualizing
illness, each of which has a

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research policy and public
engagement dimension. So so far

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we have delivered the latches,
seminars, keynotes up to 18

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00:09:24.280 --> 00:09:29.173
video podcast and the series of
publications including a currito

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00:09:29.173 --> 00:09:33.539
monograph in preparation and the
poetry collection called

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introduce. The next step is a
conference.

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Which would be in Oxford in the
5th and 6th of September. We

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take place in Oxford called
Translation and Medical

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Humanities, and the call for
people will be circulating

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sudden and be nice if you would
like to contribute to this

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dialogues and if we could create
a new collaborations.

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So before moving to the second
part of this talk, I would like

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to share with you very briefly
my reasons for arguing the

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translation is linked
fundamentally to health and

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disease for saying that is that
health and disease are

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inherently communicative and
transitional in nature, and I

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were grouped these reasons under
3 thematic categories.

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Foreigners, power and contagion.

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So and I started with
foreigners. I have used this

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expression foreign connection
which is the title of a

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beautiful essay collections
published in 2020 by the poet

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and translator Poison translator
Jamie Mckendrick. So I've used

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this expression for a connection
to theorize the idea that

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illness is a foreign analyzing
experience. 1 The fundamentally

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turns us into outsiders. Illness
estranges us from ourselves,

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first and foremost.

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And then from others, a family
or friends, but also obviously

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they have providers and so on.

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Illness is the night side of
life and more onerous

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citizenship. Everyone is born,
holds dual citizenship in the

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Kingdom of the Wild and the
Kingdom of the Sick, although we

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all prefer to use only the good
passport. Sooner or later each

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00:11:25.047 --> 00:11:30.222
of us is obliged, at least for a
spell, to identify ourselves as

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citizens of that other place.

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00:11:34.980 --> 00:11:39.177
So as we read these moving words
by Susan Sontag, we found

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ourselves at the front. In this
inbetween territory, which is

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both a homeland and the place of
exile, each one of us is a

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citizen, but also a migrant of
two seemingly separate states.

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Sometimes we are provided with
the linguistic and cultural

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equipment that is necessary to
communicate with fellow

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citizens, that is, to translate
other time. Other times, we

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simply have not access to.

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Or do not even happen to have
knowledge of these tools.

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So my discovery that illness
too, something to foreign

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speakers as an important but
also disturbing element to a

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translational understanding of
disease, this foreign connection

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00:12:23.494 --> 00:12:27.478
between translation and disease
makes us realize that in

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sickness will become foreign
speakers of our own mother

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00:12:31.393 --> 00:12:35.098
tongues resisting standard
language and resorting to

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figurative speech as disease
confronts us with the challenges

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of inexpressibility.

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So now you can see why I turned
and then I I turned to analyze

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and analyze that psychiatric
consultation, because which is

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the first associated clinical
scenarios here. And that

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scenario that falls into the
category of foreigners.

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And because obviously in
consultation happens in all

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domains of medicine, but in
psychiatry is such a an

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important, meaningful place,
buffer diagnosis and therapy

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that I could not but analyze for
this purpose. And I studied the

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consultation through the prism
of intralingual translation.

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That is the type of translation
taking place within between and

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among individuals speaking.

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The same tongue. Interestingly,
the focus on Intralingual

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translation enables us to
concentrate also on the

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nonverbal aspects of the patient
provider dialogue, such as body

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language, silence, omissions,
does bordering on elements of

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intermedial translation too.

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Obviously we have to. I'd be
happy to find the discuss it

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later if you if you're
interested in it. But now we

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move to this to the second
category power, because this

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00:14:03.117 --> 00:14:07.040
considerations about a clinical
consultation and which we

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examined here through the lens
of transition theory naturally

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raise questions of epistemic
injustice and power. Doctors

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help professionals and
scientists are not the only

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00:14:18.605 --> 00:14:21.580
repositories or medical
knowledge patients.

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00:14:21.660 --> 00:14:25.612
Also contribute to the creation
of these expertise of these

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science in a recent paper, I
argued that the translational

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00:14:29.497 --> 00:14:33.316
lens one that looks at margins
by definition allows us to

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00:14:33.316 --> 00:14:37.334
illuminate zones and figures of
epistemic injustice. Through

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00:14:37.334 --> 00:14:40.363
this lens, we can further
challenge normative

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00:14:40.363 --> 00:14:44.314
understandings of health and
disease that's contributed not

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00:14:44.314 --> 00:14:48.068
just to the evolution of
translation studies and medical

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00:14:48.068 --> 00:14:52.150
humanities, but also narrative
medicine and medical practice.

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00:14:52.420 --> 00:14:56.742
As we rethink the nature and the
aims of the patient provider

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encounter, but there is always a
but as I mentioned, the

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beginning translation is not
always desirable, it does not

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00:15:04.827 --> 00:15:09.218
always have a positive effect. I
translational epistemology of

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00:15:09.218 --> 00:15:13.261
illness confronts us with the
reality that in any newness

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00:15:13.261 --> 00:15:17.721
narrative we had spoken or not,
or written, you know, literary,

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00:15:17.721 --> 00:15:21.764
poetic or not, a residue of
untranslatability is not only

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00:15:21.764 --> 00:15:22.600
unavoidable.

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00:15:22.700 --> 00:15:26.305
But even useful if we really
intend to challenge a normative

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00:15:26.305 --> 00:15:29.377
understandings of health and
disease, we do need to

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00:15:29.377 --> 00:15:32.981
acknowledge these apparently
contradictory and opaque search

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00:15:32.981 --> 00:15:33.690
for meaning.

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00:15:34.810 --> 00:15:39.624
So translation may not happen at
all, and for the good. But what

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00:15:39.624 --> 00:15:44.364
happens when translation process
is not only do not happen, but

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00:15:44.364 --> 00:15:48.585
rather should be avoided
altogether or stopped? When and

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00:15:48.585 --> 00:15:50.880
why can we prevent translation?

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00:15:52.140 --> 00:15:56.657
This is the case of what I call
the translation contagion link

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00:15:56.657 --> 00:16:00.886
in an article that I co-authored
with Ivan Engebretson and

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00:16:00.886 --> 00:16:04.829
Professor Charles Fosdick. We
showed how the seemingly

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00:16:04.829 --> 00:16:08.843
unrelated categories of
transition and the epidemiology

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00:16:08.843 --> 00:16:13.288
interact in complex ways. In
particular, we have identified 3

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00:16:13.288 --> 00:16:17.517
aspects of transition. They make
it a useful instrument of

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00:16:17.517 --> 00:16:21.675
epidemiological inquiry,
temporality, exponentiality, and

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00:16:21.675 --> 00:16:22.320
alterity.

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00:16:22.680 --> 00:16:26.802
Here I would like to focus on
exponentiality translation and

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00:16:26.802 --> 00:16:30.653
contagion work in similar ways
in that they both rely on

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00:16:30.653 --> 00:16:33.760
processes of reproduction and
multiplication.

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00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:38.888
As a matter of fact, ideas and
feelings multiply as

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00:16:38.888 --> 00:16:43.543
exponentially as diseases to the
point that the concurrent spread

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00:16:43.543 --> 00:16:48.128
of viruses, races, and paranoia
is more consistent that it might

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00:16:48.128 --> 00:16:52.007
first appear during the
coronavirus pandemic examples.

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00:16:52.007 --> 00:16:56.521
This process of this spread have
multiplied and became apparent

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00:16:56.521 --> 00:17:00.753
clearly translation as contagion
is not desirable. Setup in

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00:17:00.753 --> 00:17:04.562
another article, contagious
otherness I addressed the

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00:17:04.562 --> 00:17:05.690
question of why.

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00:17:05.760 --> 00:17:09.940
Contagion can be cultural,
productive, but biological.

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00:17:09.940 --> 00:17:14.043
Detrimental. Again, these
paradoxes warns against any

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00:17:14.043 --> 00:17:18.526
critical superficiality or
myopia. The types of dangers we

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00:17:18.526 --> 00:17:22.477
might fall into into when we
deal with transitions,

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00:17:22.477 --> 00:17:25.820
methodological and conceptual
complexities.

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00:17:27.760 --> 00:17:31.780
So these are my reason for
thinking of transition and

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00:17:31.780 --> 00:17:35.948
meanness together in a
synergetic way, and this is what

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00:17:35.948 --> 00:17:40.191
is specific, peculiar to
translating in us. But I should

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00:17:40.191 --> 00:17:44.210
mention here also a number of
established approaches,

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00:17:44.210 --> 00:17:48.378
historically scholarship as
focus on the following four

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areas of imbrication between
translation and disease. And I

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indicated some in some of the
disciplines involved in this.

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Friends or knowledge translation
by format. The biomedical

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sciences, historical and special
travels of medicine through

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translation, translation of
medical information, especially

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in disaster situations.
Interpreting for migrant

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populations, and so on. So these
are the main ones. So these

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categories offer, in a sense,
the most immediate associations

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between transition and the
unions, and they have been

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systematically covered and
studied in the Routledge

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Handbook of Transition and desk.

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Published in 2021.

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And edited beautifully by
subname, Suzanne Saraiva and Eva

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special comma. So the fact that
these are associations are

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evident does not make them less
important. In fact, it is quite

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the opposite. However, I do
think that the translation

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illness bombed is not exhausted
in through these by these areas.

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And so, in a sense, translating
in a session some of the ways in

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which we can dive deeper into
this topic. And there are many

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other.

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Important ways yet to be
addressed, and that's it would

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be important to explore I think.

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But where do these expanded and
expanding ideas discussed today

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lead us? If research can take
such an expected, perhaps a bit

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risky directions, then what
becomes of policy? In other

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words, how policy making may
look like? Should our ways of

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translating innas reach the
public lands?

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We're now entering the final
section of this talk. That is

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the horizonal policy and I call
it an horizon rather than a

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territory for two main reasons.
First, because it represents a

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relatively new dimension of the
project. And second, because I

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find that the controls are
research, informed policy are

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always watery, hazy and
changing, and they're really

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have the solidity of the ground
and perhaps for the better.

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So these are the main free
errors, so global health

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concerns that translating in US
can inform and to a certain

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extent has informed mental
health, infectious diseases and

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sustainability through
translation as a paradigm for

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communication, as I said across
spheres of differences, policy

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can look at this urgent health
challenges.

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We linguistic and cultural
awareness with integrated care

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for other members of our
ecosystems, including animals,

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plants and machines, and
therefore we just use a

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translation based medicine as I
would like to call it, one

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accounts for and does not
distinguish between migrant and

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non migrant health as we all are
citizens sooner or later of that

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at the Kingdom to echos. So some
tags words.

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To avoid this type of medicine,
translation based can avoid

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hierarchies of knowledge and
instead create horizons

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networks. Three, it engages with
medicine, cultural of evidence,

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but in the awareness that what
is not measurable or statistical

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is not necessarily unhelpful for
the helpful humans and

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nonhumans. It is also not
necessarily unrigorous finally.

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I translation based medicine
champions by your culture,

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diversity and dance can function
as a model for sustainable

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healthcare, thanks to
transitions, attention to the

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many others inhabiting our
planet, including, as we have

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seen today, the other who is the
self in sickness. So these are

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some of the reasons I would say
for which a transition based

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medicine can and would create a
change where we must need it.

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I conclude with the Kate Briggs
words translators must write and

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thereby attend to the whole.

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But have I fully stated yet why
this matters?

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I think of the kind of
materialized reading practice

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performed by a guy who bought
one sat next to on a bus. The

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number 21 bus crowded a Sunday
evening in July. This guy spart

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tell it.

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Who was engaged in underlying
conscientiously with a ruler and

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the black Biro, every single one
of the lines in the book he was

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reading. In other words, the
whole book. Why? Presumably,

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because everything, every bit of
it mattered nothing, and nobody

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could be reasonably or
responsibly left out.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much Marta. I am
going to end the recording now

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for the discussion.

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Thank you. I stopped sharing. I
hope that's works fine.

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Uh, yes, we have. Yes, we have
you.

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That's right.

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Yeah, yeah.